Movie awards and diversity
Discussion
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-5135...
This topic has been in the media a lot recently. There is a lot of implied racism and sexism but what is not clear is the evidence to support that. I don't know if there is a conspiracy to keep black or female actors and directors out of the awards system but shouldn't awards be based on the quality of acting or film making rather than the race or sex of the person?
There are some brilliant black and/or female actors and directors out there. However, maybe people want to see great quality films that entertain rather than rehashed crap made for the minority but loud "woke" audience.
This topic has been in the media a lot recently. There is a lot of implied racism and sexism but what is not clear is the evidence to support that. I don't know if there is a conspiracy to keep black or female actors and directors out of the awards system but shouldn't awards be based on the quality of acting or film making rather than the race or sex of the person?
There are some brilliant black and/or female actors and directors out there. However, maybe people want to see great quality films that entertain rather than rehashed crap made for the minority but loud "woke" audience.
I've removed the BBC app from my phone and bookmark from my PC.
This "POC"/BAME thing, along with LGBTQ articles - they've gone absolutely bonkers with it; it's non-stop cramming it down your throat. I've had enough and I'll get my news from some place that reports actual news.
To this movie awards malarky - I have no doubt that they're based on merit. However from now on in whenever I see a black person win an oscar etc or a woman win best director I'm going to be suspicious as to whether they got it on merit or to fulfill some quota. So well done, BBC.
This "POC"/BAME thing, along with LGBTQ articles - they've gone absolutely bonkers with it; it's non-stop cramming it down your throat. I've had enough and I'll get my news from some place that reports actual news.
To this movie awards malarky - I have no doubt that they're based on merit. However from now on in whenever I see a black person win an oscar etc or a woman win best director I'm going to be suspicious as to whether they got it on merit or to fulfill some quota. So well done, BBC.
Stay in Bed Instead said:
There isn't any evidence.
It's just that some people cannot accept that those 'excluded' simply weren't good enough this year.
It all outrage for the sake of outrage.
Heard it on the radio this morning that the prince is annoyed at the lack of diversity. It's just that some people cannot accept that those 'excluded' simply weren't good enough this year.
It all outrage for the sake of outrage.
Why it can't possibly just be that any female directors or black actors weren't good enough I do not know.
I get that sexism/ racism does happen but how can it possibly be anything other than the better films were directed by men?
"Oh this films amazing and has been directed perfectly but it was a woman so we can't have that". Said no one ever.
It's 100% outrage for the sake of it. They'll cave in, nominate a couple of women next year and when they don't win they'll all be called sexist pigs.
Edited by rich12 on Monday 3rd February 09:45
Dog Star said:
To this movie awards malarky - I have no doubt that they're based on merit. However from now on in whenever I see a black person win an oscar etc or a woman win best director I'm going to be suspicious as to whether they got it on merit or to fulfill some quota. So well done, BBC.
I have a great deal of doubt they are based on merit. Why for example did Nolan receive his first Oscar nomination for Dunkirk?, which IMO is one of his worst films.Certain genres are deemed Oscar worthy, others are not. When BAME cast and crew produce such movies they are Oscar contenders (see 12 years a slave). Count the number of historical movies in the best picture category this year.
Blib said:
Ultimately, these awards are irrelevant. Im delighted that those involved get annoyed, or shamed or whatever, with each other. This gives them fewer opportunities to preach to the rest of us.
I think you have a point. Is there any other industry that has such regular backslapping, self indulgent events each year?They do take themselves rather too seriously, especially in this day of churning out movie after movie for the Netflix/Google, never mind the quality feel the width generation.
REALIST123 said:
I think you have a point. Is there any other industry that has such regular backslapping, self indulgent events each year?
Don't most industries hold award ceremonies? It's just that the Annual Photo-Copier and Paper Supplies Sales Awards won't have quite so many A-list celebrities on the guest roster.Rare said:
One of the nobodies in Little Mix tweeted that there was a lack of diversity on Love Island, that most reflected and relevant of TV shows.
When looked at in more detail 25% of contestants were BAME, vs 13% of the general population.
But it sounds good on social media.
Lack of diversity on Love Island? To me that says BAMEs are therefore considerably more intelligent to not want to appear on that sWhen looked at in more detail 25% of contestants were BAME, vs 13% of the general population.
But it sounds good on social media.
t show. That's good for them, well done.TTwiggy said:
REALIST123 said:
I think you have a point. Is there any other industry that has such regular backslapping, self indulgent events each year?
Don't most industries hold award ceremonies? It's just that the Annual Photo-Copier and Paper Supplies Sales Awards won't have quite so many A-list celebrities on the guest roster.The Academy Awards
The Grammy Awards
The Golden Globes
The Emmys
BAFTA
SAG Awards
The Screen Awards
The Women in Film and TV Awards
The RTS Awards
and so on..........
I’m not aware of any industry or even group of connected industries with so many award ceremonies.
I think more and more people are getting quite tired of the constant left wing narrative of "inequality"/"diversity" etc.
Corbyn and his "inequality" cult seemed to have failed quite spectacularly at the last election with his political bedding of blaming and creating "inequality" on all of society's modern problems.
Problems which are not even 'problems' to the vast majority of the populous. Creating the "inequality" narrative to create further conflicts of interest and to try and justify the continuance of such political narratives.
Corbyn and his "inequality" cult seemed to have failed quite spectacularly at the last election with his political bedding of blaming and creating "inequality" on all of society's modern problems.
Problems which are not even 'problems' to the vast majority of the populous. Creating the "inequality" narrative to create further conflicts of interest and to try and justify the continuance of such political narratives.
ZeroGroundZero said:
I think more and more people are getting quite tired of the constant left wing narrative of "inequality"/"diversity" etc.
Corbyn and his "inequality" cult seemed to have failed quite spectacularly at the last election with his political bedding of blaming and creating "inequality" on all of society's modern problems.
Problems which are not even 'problems' to the vast majority of the populous. Creating the "inequality" narrative to create further conflicts of interest and to try and justify the continuance of such political narratives.
Amazing that Corbyn's fault has such an overarching reach. Corbyn and his "inequality" cult seemed to have failed quite spectacularly at the last election with his political bedding of blaming and creating "inequality" on all of society's modern problems.
Problems which are not even 'problems' to the vast majority of the populous. Creating the "inequality" narrative to create further conflicts of interest and to try and justify the continuance of such political narratives.
It is logical to suggest that if, for instance, 20% of actors and directors are BAME, then they should be more or less equal representation in the awards. One would not expect it to be a precise correlation every year, but generally ballpark.
The argument that the awards are merit based doesn’t stand up as they should be equally represented unless there was something blocking them. Possible reasons are bias from the judges, lack of opportunity, and more. If so, then whatever it is should be addressed. Otherwise it is not fair.
The argument that the awards are merit based doesn’t stand up as they should be equally represented unless there was something blocking them. Possible reasons are bias from the judges, lack of opportunity, and more. If so, then whatever it is should be addressed. Otherwise it is not fair.
Derek Smith said:
It is logical to suggest that if, for instance, 20% of actors and directors are BAME, then they should be more or less equal representation in the awards. One would not expect it to be a precise correlation every year, but generally ballpark.
The argument that the awards are merit based doesn’t stand up as they should be equally represented unless there was something blocking them. Possible reasons are bias from the judges, lack of opportunity, and more. If so, then whatever it is should be addressed. Otherwise it is not fair.
Positive discrimination is still discrimination.The argument that the awards are merit based doesn’t stand up as they should be equally represented unless there was something blocking them. Possible reasons are bias from the judges, lack of opportunity, and more. If so, then whatever it is should be addressed. Otherwise it is not fair.
I don't read too much into the media frenzy around it, but I suspect not having a proper representation at awards is due to:
- non-white ethnicities are no good at acting, writing or directing
- the best movies are about white people
- there is a bias towards white leading roles within movies/tv that are written
- so on and so forth
I think point 1 is unlikely. The likelihood for me is that there is a bias much further up stream that opportunities for non-white actors in great movies/tv for example are less available than white leading roles or something of that ilk.
In terms of awards, I remember some actor saying that there are more film and tv awards in the US than there are days of the week. Most leading actors have hundreds of awards, some we may of heard of but others that are much lower profile (for which the actors dont even bother going along to) they win also. The industry is joke in that respect, a huge amount of over the top back slapping.
- non-white ethnicities are no good at acting, writing or directing
- the best movies are about white people
- there is a bias towards white leading roles within movies/tv that are written
- so on and so forth
I think point 1 is unlikely. The likelihood for me is that there is a bias much further up stream that opportunities for non-white actors in great movies/tv for example are less available than white leading roles or something of that ilk.
In terms of awards, I remember some actor saying that there are more film and tv awards in the US than there are days of the week. Most leading actors have hundreds of awards, some we may of heard of but others that are much lower profile (for which the actors dont even bother going along to) they win also. The industry is joke in that respect, a huge amount of over the top back slapping.
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