Telling the Government... I told you so
Telling the Government... I told you so
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jackofall84

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541 posts

83 months

Thursday 6th February 2020
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Can't remember exactly when but they scrapped the tolls for the Severn bridges last year. I use the old bridge on a daily basis and have done for a about 6 years now as I live in Bristol and work on the Welsh side. When first hearing about it, the first thing I said was what a ridiculous idea it was, all it's going to achieve is pricing residents out of Chepstow area and increasing journey times as Bristolians move over the bridge to buy a house with 1 extra bedroom or for more affordable housing and commute back into Bristol.

The last few months there's been nothing but complaints from Residents about the very lengthy commute times and house prices increasing. In fact I think I read that Chepstow is now one of the most polluted towns in the UK.

It only really effects me in a positive way as it's an extra £1400/year in my pocket and I'm travelling against the congestion, but I'd have been happy to pay a smaller fee (say about £500/year) rather than scrapping it altogether to stop all the chaos now happening in Chepstow and surrounding areas.

If I can see this coming as nothing but a mere mortal Engineer, how can the geniuses in Government not figure it out....and don't get me started on Brexit!




TwigtheWonderkid

48,181 posts

174 months

Thursday 6th February 2020
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When the govt were encouraging company car drivers into diesels by basing the BIK tax on CO2, where diesels win out, I said to anyone who would listen, it was bonkers. Diesels are great for long distance motorway driving, and with their high mpg, can be environmentally a winner in those cases, but encouraging everyone into them, including city drivers, was a disaster. They are good on CO2, but bad in loads of other stuff and not great for humans in areas of high population.

15 years later, the govt realised I was right, but as usual, went totally overboard, so now everyone is being encouraged out of diesels, even people for whom a diesel would be the right choice for the environment.

Utter morons.

jackofall84

Original Poster:

541 posts

83 months

Thursday 6th February 2020
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
When the govt were encouraging company car drivers into diesels by basing the BIK tax on CO2, where diesels win out, I said to anyone who would listen, it was bonkers. Diesels are great for long distance motorway driving, and with their high mpg, can be environmentally a winner in those cases, but encouraging everyone into them, including city drivers, was a disaster. They are good on CO2, but bad in loads of other stuff and not great for humans in areas of high population.

15 years later, the govt realised I was right, but as usual, went totally overboard, so now everyone is being encouraged out of diesels, even people for whom a diesel would be the right choice for the environment.

Utter morons.
Have to say 15 years ago I was unaware of all this, but the point is, the government should have done their homework and understood this. It just seems to be an utter lack of research, simple understanding and common sense!

Fastpedeller

4,252 posts

170 months

Thursday 6th February 2020
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Didn't several of us say the Smart Motorways/using the hard shoulder was also a bad idea. My Wife and I are quite good at predicting the TV soap plots as well biggrin

Unbusy

934 posts

121 months

Thursday 6th February 2020
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Can we ask the Beeb to start a new soap called Chaos in Chepstow?

bristolbaron

5,338 posts

236 months

Thursday 6th February 2020
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jackofall84 said:
Can't remember exactly when but they scrapped the tolls for the Severn bridges last year. I use the old bridge on a daily basis and have done for a about 6 years now as I live in Bristol and work on the Welsh side. When first hearing about it, the first thing I said was what a ridiculous idea it was, all it's going to achieve is pricing residents out of Chepstow area and increasing journey times as Bristolians move over the bridge to buy a house with 1 extra bedroom or for more affordable housing and commute back into Bristol.

The last few months there's been nothing but complaints from Residents about the very lengthy commute times and house prices increasing. In fact I think I read that Chepstow is now one of the most polluted towns in the UK.

It only really effects me in a positive way as it's an extra £1400/year in my pocket and I'm travelling against the congestion, but I'd have been happy to pay a smaller fee (say about £500/year) rather than scrapping it altogether to stop all the chaos now happening in Chepstow and surrounding areas.

If I can see this coming as nothing but a mere mortal Engineer, how can the geniuses in Government not figure it out....and don't get me started on Brexit!
I do a similar journey - Bristol/South Wales, but off peak and on the new bridge so don’t notice the build ups.
The decision not to put the bypass in for brynglas does seem bonkers though, traffic there both directions is ridiculous! Opening ‘the gateway to business’ in Wales isn’t a bad idea in itself, but making sure people can get around once they’re there should’ve been part of the plan.

jackofall84

Original Poster:

541 posts

83 months

Thursday 6th February 2020
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Unbusy said:
Can we ask the Beeb to start a new soap called Chaos in Chepstow?
biggrin OK, Chaos may have been a strong word!

irocfan

47,011 posts

214 months

Thursday 6th February 2020
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bristolbaron said:
I do a similar journey - Bristol/South Wales, but off peak and on the new bridge so don’t notice the build ups.
The decision not to put the bypass in for brynglas does seem bonkers though, traffic there both directions is ridiculous! Opening ‘the gateway to business’ in Wales isn’t a bad idea in itself, but making sure people can get around once they’re there should’ve been part of the plan.
say what now??? There's been a plan????

TwigtheWonderkid

48,181 posts

174 months

Thursday 6th February 2020
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jackofall84 said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
When the govt were encouraging company car drivers into diesels by basing the BIK tax on CO2, where diesels win out, I said to anyone who would listen, it was bonkers. Diesels are great for long distance motorway driving, and with their high mpg, can be environmentally a winner in those cases, but encouraging everyone into them, including city drivers, was a disaster. They are good on CO2, but bad in loads of other stuff and not great for humans in areas of high population.

15 years later, the govt realised I was right, but as usual, went totally overboard, so now everyone is being encouraged out of diesels, even people for whom a diesel would be the right choice for the environment.

Utter morons.
Have to say 15 years ago I was unaware of all this, but the point is, the government should have done their homework and understood this. It just seems to be an utter lack of research, simple understanding and common sense!
And it's still going on. If you're a rep doing 30K miles a year up and down the motorway, then the ideal car for the environment is probably some 1.6 eco diesel that does 85mpg. A Golf bluemotion, Seat Leon Ecomotive, or suchlike. But they are being taxed out of that into a petrol hybrid where the electric power rarely kicks in so had no effect, so they are using petrol to cart around a fk off heavy battery they never use, or worse still, a 3 litre pick up truck.

Complete clowns.

Mark Benson

8,264 posts

293 months

Thursday 6th February 2020
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jackofall84 said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
When the govt were encouraging company car drivers into diesels by basing the BIK tax on CO2, where diesels win out, I said to anyone who would listen, it was bonkers. Diesels are great for long distance motorway driving, and with their high mpg, can be environmentally a winner in those cases, but encouraging everyone into them, including city drivers, was a disaster. They are good on CO2, but bad in loads of other stuff and not great for humans in areas of high population.

15 years later, the govt realised I was right, but as usual, went totally overboard, so now everyone is being encouraged out of diesels, even people for whom a diesel would be the right choice for the environment.

Utter morons.
Have to say 15 years ago I was unaware of all this, but the point is, the government should have done their homework and understood this. It just seems to be an utter lack of research, simple understanding and common sense!
They did understand it. But CO2 trumped NoX and particulates in the 'resonates with the public' stakes, so they did it anyway.

Politicians always feel they have to be doing something in case they become irrelevant. Imagine if voters realised how the world still turns without the inteference of politicians.....

PAULJ5555

3,554 posts

200 months

Monday 10th February 2020
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Both Labour and Tories have watched house prices rise and rise and have done nothing to stop it. Also stocks of council houses being sold off, its obvious if your selling houses off and not building more you will be in trouble.

Their all to blame for the shortage of council houses & youngsters being priced off the property ladder. Its not like anyone couldnt see it comming since 1990.



Fastpedeller

4,252 posts

170 months

Monday 10th February 2020
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PAULJ5555 said:
Both Labour and Tories have watched house prices rise and rise and have done nothing to stop it. Also stocks of council houses being sold off, its obvious if your selling houses off and not building more you will be in trouble.

Their all to blame for the shortage of council houses & youngsters being priced off the property ladder. Its not like anyone couldnt see it comming since 1990.
The granting of 'easy credit' is a big factor here though - If people don't buy the properties the price will have to drop. The Banks have a large part in this, the latest being "we'll use the house of Mum & Dad as equity against an even bigger loan" - If people didn't fall for this the prices would have to fall. But of course if everyone's told "house prices will continue rise" then it's human nature to think you'll be left behind. I was in this situation in 1989, fell for it and ended up in huge negative equity, and giving back the property to the Building Society to get out of the mess.

768

19,326 posts

120 months

Monday 10th February 2020
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jackofall84 said:
When first hearing about it, the first thing I said was what a ridiculous idea it was, all it's going to achieve is pricing residents out of Chepstow area and increasing journey times as Bristolians move over the bridge to buy a house with 1 extra bedroom or for more affordable housing and commute back into Bristol.
So it's also achieved cheaper housing for people previously resident in Bristol? And who's selling these houses at now inflated prices to them?

We'll all be using electric cars in 2035 anyway, they just need to hold their breath a little longer.

768

19,326 posts

120 months

Monday 10th February 2020
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jackofall84 said:
In fact I think I read that Chepstow is now one of the most polluted towns in the UK.
Indeed it is, according to WHO figures... from before the tolls were removed.

TEKNOPUG

20,329 posts

229 months

Monday 10th February 2020
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Are people really moving enmasse to be £27 a week better off?

Agammemnon

1,628 posts

82 months

Monday 10th February 2020
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jackofall84 said:
If I can see this coming as nothing but a mere mortal Engineer, how can the geniuses in Government not figure it out.
"Oooh- we didn't intend that". They have blinkers on what they want to happen & don#t choose to see the easily predictable. They then keep their pay, perks & pension when reality dawns so they see no reason to change their tactics.

Mort7

1,487 posts

132 months

Monday 10th February 2020
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TEKNOPUG said:
Are people really moving enmasse to be £27 a week better off?
And free prescriptions.....

Blacksquid

57 posts

139 months

Monday 10th February 2020
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PAULJ5555 said:
Both Labour and Tories have watched house prices rise and rise and have done nothing to stop it. Also stocks of council houses being sold off, its obvious if your selling houses off and not building more you will be in trouble.

Their all to blame for the shortage of council houses & youngsters being priced off the property ladder. Its not like anyone couldnt see it comming since 1990.
And making no proper plans to increase the stock of houses for the 2.5 million net immigrants since 2009 whilst reducing hospital bed numbers and not building enough road capacity. The civil service/government seem unaware of knock-on effects of their decisions.

crankedup

25,764 posts

267 months

Monday 10th February 2020
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Closing down our rail branch lines was the most idiotic policy, whilst we were busy dismantling our rail infrastructure or European friends across the channel were busy building theirs.

hutchst

3,727 posts

120 months

Monday 10th February 2020
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
And it's still going on. If you're a rep doing 30K miles a year up and down the motorway, then the ideal car for the environment is probably some 1.6 eco diesel that does 85mpg. A Golf bluemotion, Seat Leon Ecomotive, or suchlike. But they are being taxed out of that into a petrol hybrid where the electric power rarely kicks in so had no effect, so they are using petrol to cart around a fk off heavy battery they never use, or worse still, a 3 litre pick up truck.

Complete clowns.
You could just pay the tax and stick with the golf. Does nobody think of the kittens any more?