Children's homes fees
Poll: Children's homes fees
Total Members Polled: 48
Discussion
Prison is more than a first class boarding school, so a childrens home will be more.
It is to be expected I think. My boys are at boarding school, and the VI formers have a lot of responsibility for keeping the place running. You couldn’t really do that in a children’s home, as the 17 years olds are more likely to be selling the drugs to the 13 year olds than looking after them.
It is to be expected I think. My boys are at boarding school, and the VI formers have a lot of responsibility for keeping the place running. You couldn’t really do that in a children’s home, as the 17 years olds are more likely to be selling the drugs to the 13 year olds than looking after them.
JPJPJP said:
How much does it cost per child per week, on average, for a local authority to place a child into the care of a privately operated Children's Home?
As you presumably know the answer why not just say so that we can all be outraged and call for workhouses to be reintroduced?maybe if the local authorities would stop closing their own homes and f
king over their staff based on dubious reasoning by senior managment with their own agendas they wouldnt be at the mercy of private companies.
These children have so many rights that they can do a serious amount of expensive damage every day with little to no recourse.
Oh, you vandalised 7 cars last week, smashed 3 tvs and a playstation this week, set off the fire alarm 3 times at £400 a pop, assaulted and threatened to kill 2 members of staff and stolen money from a staff members handbag to get high? well you have been reasonably well behaved for 3 days so heres your pocket money, we will have a member of staff take you up the centre to buy you £80 trainers and you will be taken to the cinema tonight. remember to not get caught a couple of days next week so you can be taken for a weekend canoeing.
Not exaggerated, even slightly.
king over their staff based on dubious reasoning by senior managment with their own agendas they wouldnt be at the mercy of private companies.These children have so many rights that they can do a serious amount of expensive damage every day with little to no recourse.
Oh, you vandalised 7 cars last week, smashed 3 tvs and a playstation this week, set off the fire alarm 3 times at £400 a pop, assaulted and threatened to kill 2 members of staff and stolen money from a staff members handbag to get high? well you have been reasonably well behaved for 3 days so heres your pocket money, we will have a member of staff take you up the centre to buy you £80 trainers and you will be taken to the cinema tonight. remember to not get caught a couple of days next week so you can be taken for a weekend canoeing.
Not exaggerated, even slightly.
OldGermanHeaps said:
maybe if the local authorities would stop closing their own homes and fking over their staff based on dubious reasoning by senior managment with their own agendas they wouldnt be at the mercy of private companies.
These children have so many rights that they can do a serious amount of expensive damage every day with little to no recourse.
Oh, you vandalised 7 cars last week, smashed 3 tvs and a playstation this week, set off the fire alarm 3 times at £400 a pop, assaulted and threatened to kill 2 members of staff and stolen money from a staff members handbag to get high? well you have been reasonably well behaved for 3 days so heres your pocket money, we will have a member of staff take you up the centre to buy you £80 trainers and you will be taken to the cinema tonight. remember to not get caught a couple of days next week so you can be taken for a weekend canoeing.
Not exaggerated, even slightly.
Probably a response to being repeatedly sexually abused.king over their staff based on dubious reasoning by senior managment with their own agendas they wouldnt be at the mercy of private companies.These children have so many rights that they can do a serious amount of expensive damage every day with little to no recourse.
Oh, you vandalised 7 cars last week, smashed 3 tvs and a playstation this week, set off the fire alarm 3 times at £400 a pop, assaulted and threatened to kill 2 members of staff and stolen money from a staff members handbag to get high? well you have been reasonably well behaved for 3 days so heres your pocket money, we will have a member of staff take you up the centre to buy you £80 trainers and you will be taken to the cinema tonight. remember to not get caught a couple of days next week so you can be taken for a weekend canoeing.
Not exaggerated, even slightly.
The trick is to remember its not the childs fault. These young people have been messed up by adults/ parents for most of their lives. I say this as somone who has had 4 hours sleep last night due to our latest teenager being bought back to placement at 2am by the police for the 3rd night in a row. She only gets to make a few more unsafe choices and it will be a secure unit for her to avoid the risk of something bad happening that none of us want.
FOI request to Southampton council gives some further information.
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/452257/resp...
Therapeutic setting/on site education/required staffing ratios will all impact costs.
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/452257/resp...
Therapeutic setting/on site education/required staffing ratios will all impact costs.
mdw said:
Makes the wage part of a foster carers payment which is £240 / week for 24/7 care look like an absolute bargain!!!!!
There's a kerfuffle going on over that as, like children's homes, private equity backed companies are taking over the market, nicking all the carers, and ramping up rates.rxe said:
Prison is more than a first class boarding school, so a childrens home will be more.
It is to be expected I think. My boys are at boarding school, and the VI formers have a lot of responsibility for keeping the place running. You couldn’t really do that in a children’s home, as the 17 years olds are more likely to be selling the drugs to the 13 year olds than looking after them.
Whereas at a private school the 17 year olds are bumming the 13 year olds It is to be expected I think. My boys are at boarding school, and the VI formers have a lot of responsibility for keeping the place running. You couldn’t really do that in a children’s home, as the 17 years olds are more likely to be selling the drugs to the 13 year olds than looking after them.
Sheepshanks said:
There's a kerfuffle going on over that as, like children's homes, private equity backed companies are taking over the market, nicking all the carers, and ramping up rates.
We went from IFA to LA and were actually paid a tiny amount more ( £1.20 a week) . We switched because the IFA were useless. Great for fancy sandwiches at events, useless when you acually needed help and advice on mental health with self harming teenagers. mdw said:
We went from IFA to LA and were actually paid a tiny amount more ( £1.20 a week) . We switched because the IFA were useless. Great for fancy sandwiches at events, useless when you acually needed help and advice on mental health with self harming teenagers.
Good to hear first hand experience. I've read private firms pay significantly more and give sign-on bonuses, however the reason most give for switching to private is they're promised much better support. I'm not surprised to hear that doesn't work as promised.And thanks for doing what you do. Wife and I discussed it as our kids left home but we never did anything about it and now we're pretty wrapped up in looking after grandchildren 3 days a week, and it takes us the other 4 days to recover!
I can speak with some experience on this as a former councillor with a cabinet role; If we had a child that required an external placement outside the local authority area due to a lack of capacity it would cost the council £250,000 per annum, per child, which I always thought was a staggering amount. It was also something over which the local authority had little or no control; if a professional makes a decision that a child should be placed then we had a legal obligation do so; it made budgeting incredibly difficult in terms of children's services.
My responsibility in the Council was community wellbeing, which covered a whole range of services. I always made the argument for investing in early intervention as spending money on effective projects now will hopefully reduce massive expenditure like this in the future. I always remember meeting a 15 year old girl at a project part funded by the Council; her background story was bleak - she was 1 of 7 children all of whom had different fathers. She had little or no social skills, personal hygiene was an issue; she was purely a product of her upbringing. They were teaching her life skills; simple things like cooking/baking. I had a good chat with her, and I could see that even at 15 her life could be turned around with the correct intervention, and she could still avoid the mistakes of her parents. Really challenging though, but definitely worth it though to avoid massive future state dependancy.
My responsibility in the Council was community wellbeing, which covered a whole range of services. I always made the argument for investing in early intervention as spending money on effective projects now will hopefully reduce massive expenditure like this in the future. I always remember meeting a 15 year old girl at a project part funded by the Council; her background story was bleak - she was 1 of 7 children all of whom had different fathers. She had little or no social skills, personal hygiene was an issue; she was purely a product of her upbringing. They were teaching her life skills; simple things like cooking/baking. I had a good chat with her, and I could see that even at 15 her life could be turned around with the correct intervention, and she could still avoid the mistakes of her parents. Really challenging though, but definitely worth it though to avoid massive future state dependancy.
Edited by tim0409 on Wednesday 26th February 13:57
tim0409 said:
I can speak with some experience on this as a former councillor with a cabinet role; If we had a child that required an external placement outside the local authority area due to a lack of capacity it would cost the council £250,000 per annum, per child, which I always thought was a staggering amount. It was also something over which the local authority had little or no control; if a professional makes a decision that a child should be placed then we had a legal obligation do so; it made budgeting incredibly difficult in terms of children's services.
My responsibility in the Council was community wellbeing, which covered a whole range of services. I always made the argument for investing in early intervention as spending money on effective projects now will hopefully reduce massive expenditure like this in the future. I always remember meeting a 15 year old girl at a project part funded by the Council; her background story was bleak - she was 1 of 7 children all of whom had different fathers. She had little or no social skills, personal hygiene was an issue; she was purely a product of her upbringing. They were teaching her life skills; simple things like cooking/baking. I had a good chat with her, and I could see that even at 15 her life could be turned around with the correct intervention, and she could still avoid the mistakes of her parents. Really challenging though, but definitely worth it though to avoid massive future state dependancy.
Why aren't LAs price setters in the market, rather than price takers?My responsibility in the Council was community wellbeing, which covered a whole range of services. I always made the argument for investing in early intervention as spending money on effective projects now will hopefully reduce massive expenditure like this in the future. I always remember meeting a 15 year old girl at a project part funded by the Council; her background story was bleak - she was 1 of 7 children all of whom had different fathers. She had little or no social skills, personal hygiene was an issue; she was purely a product of her upbringing. They were teaching her life skills; simple things like cooking/baking. I had a good chat with her, and I could see that even at 15 her life could be turned around with the correct intervention, and she could still avoid the mistakes of her parents. Really challenging though, but definitely worth it though to avoid massive future state dependancy.
Edited by tim0409 on Wednesday 26th February 13:57
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