"Using Huawei for 5G like letting Nazis build British radar"

[markyb_lcy]

Strong words indeed!

"Can I just simply say, imagine in 1939 had we been we developing our radar systems, we decided actually to have one of the Nazi companies in Germany involved directly in doing it. This is the level. ‘Oh, but we reduced to the 35% of the involvement, so only 35% was controlled by them.’ I wonder how ridiculous that is."
(Iain Duncan-Smith)

I don't find myself agreeing with IDS (or President Trump) regularly, but on this I think they're right, albeit the language is a little too strong for me.

I really think it's about time we called out the Chinese government on their ills, like their treatment of the Uyghurs. I don't think we'll see much from BoJo on this, what with them being so desperate to get trade deals in a post-brexit world.

[grumbledoak]

Which alternate manufacturers would you prefer?

[s2art]

when we have Starlink and Oneweb coming on line in the next couple of years do we really need 5G mobile?

[Zirconia]

grumbledoak said:

Which alternate manufacturers would you prefer?

Who else is doing it? There was an Ericsson bod on the radio some weeks ago claiming to have completed a contract in one of the Nordic states (I think, Sweden) , Aus and the US must have someone doing it.

[markyb_lcy]

grumbledoak said:

Which alternate manufacturers would you prefer?

I'm guessing Cisco would love a piece of the pie. TBH that's my main theory for why Trump cares so much, but good things can be done for bad reasons

For me, if it is a choice between 5G and letting a corrupt foreign government get a backdoor into our data networks and not having 5G, then I'm quite happy with 4G.

Edited by markyb_lcy on Wednesday 4th March 18:01

[Zirconia]

I would be happy getting 4g.

[Eric Mc]

Siemens had a UK operation up to 1939. It was a hotbed of Nazi spies.

[noopets]

I’ve actually no idea what 5g is all about, can’t see many benefits to it.

I’m happy with 4g to be honest.

[chow pan toon]

But not like having Nazis build your rockets I guess.

[Russ T Bolt]

markyb_lcy said:

grumbledoak said:

Which alternate manufacturers would you prefer?

I'm guessing Cisco would love a piece of the pie. TBH that's my main theory for why Trump cares so much, but good things can be done for bad reasons

For me, if it is a choice between 5G and letting a corrupt foreign government get a backdoor into our data networks and not having 5G, then I'm quite happy with 4G.

Edited by markyb_lcy on Wednesday 4th March 18:01

So just for clarity, you are happy for them to supply 4G kit but not 5G.

[anonymous-user]

chow pan toon said:

But not like having Nazis build your rockets I guess.

Good call

IDS really is a berk.

[Evanivitch]

The UK public don't care because they're happy to buy Huawei phones far cheaper and more capable than the alternatives, and ignore that all their personal information is going through a server that has no respect for personal data.

I think it's a mistake myself unless it's literally used for "dumb" devices like antennas and cables. But I suspect many of those aren't so dumb these days.

Eric Mc said:

Siemens had a UK operation up to 1939. It was a hotbed of Nazi spies.

It was quite literally used to assess the British industrial complex and understand the capabilities and growth capacity. Amazing the access a salesman can get.

[bitchstewie]

What do you do when you have your UK security services in one ear saying it's (Huawei) a manageable risk and in the other ear you have Trump and the US who are likely to try to use it as leverage.

[markyb_lcy]

Russ T Bolt said:

markyb_lcy said:

grumbledoak said:

Which alternate manufacturers would you prefer?

I'm guessing Cisco would love a piece of the pie. TBH that's my main theory for why Trump cares so much, but good things can be done for bad reasons

For me, if it is a choice between 5G and letting a corrupt foreign government get a backdoor into our data networks and not having 5G, then I'm quite happy with 4G.

Edited by markyb_lcy on Wednesday 4th March 18:01

So just for clarity, you are happy for them to supply 4G kit but not 5G.

That's not what I said. What I meant was that I (we) can live without 5G.

I realise that we do have Huawei kit within our ISPs already. I would like to see it phased out and I would like for us to not install any more of it.

[markyb_lcy]

bhstewie said:

What do you do when you have your UK security services in one ear saying it's (Huawei) a manageable risk and in the other ear you have Trump and the US who are likely to try to use it as leverage.

Manageable risk == an opportunity to spy back on China?

Can't see any other reason the security services would green light it. Then again, I am of course no expert on covert intelligence matters.

[FourWheelDrift]

grumbledoak said:

Which alternate manufacturers would you prefer?

The ones that aren't Chinese.

Ericsson, Nokia, Qualcomm, Cisco systems, Samsung, Altiostar.

[voyds9]

So the real question is who would we prefer to spy on us directly the Americans, the Chinese or some smaller country.

Personally it will may little difference, we all give away massive amounts of information

On a country level who will we stay friends with.

More likely to be the Americans and they will smile whilst screwing us over

[Dont Panic]

This is the problem with having all your eggs in one Chinese basket, no freedom of choice anymore.
You can get almost anything you want cheaply but nearly always its made in china and thats not really a good thing.
I dont see what 5g is going to accomplish really.

[Zirconia]

Russ T Bolt said:

So just for clarity, you are happy for them to supply 4G kit but not 5G.

I think the scale of what 5g can do with industry using is far greater than 4g as I understand it. I expect we have it now cos cost and shareholders happy and bidding rules.

[grumbledoak]

FourWheelDrift said:

The ones that aren't Chinese.

Ericsson, Nokia, Qualcomm, Cisco systems, Samsung, Altiostar.

And who will they be spying for respectively and why is that better?