IWD, MeeToo and rampant feminism...
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Is it just me or is it all going a bit far now?
I am all for the equality of the sexes and essentially equality of opportunity, there seems to be (to me at least) an overkill on it all now.
I am old fashioned I know, I am also a realist and I am sure I will get shot into flames for even suggesting it - but for me at least, there is too much militancy in too many quarters that seem to want to force equality of outcome not just opportunity.
I am all for the equality of the sexes and essentially equality of opportunity, there seems to be (to me at least) an overkill on it all now.
I am old fashioned I know, I am also a realist and I am sure I will get shot into flames for even suggesting it - but for me at least, there is too much militancy in too many quarters that seem to want to force equality of outcome not just opportunity.
Countdown said:
I’m not sure of the last time I saw any “rampant” feminism, or even feminism.
Where did you see it?
LinkedIn and Facebook for sure - demanding that unless all roles are 50:50 representation = men are bad and suppressing women. Where did you see it?
I believe utterly in the equality of opportunity, I seem to be seeing, sensing and maybe it is me - too much demand for equality of outcome irrespective of anything other than gender.
I had a debate with a female relative not so long ago - late 20's and I simply suggested that if you try and force and mandate the equality of outcome and not just the equality of opportunity - you are creating the very discrimination you are professing to challenge, just in your favour. Now barely speaking as I was "just a typical man"!
slightlyoldgit said:
LinkedIn and Facebook for sure - demanding that unless all roles are 50:50 representation = men are bad and suppressing women.
I believe utterly in the equality of opportunity, I seem to be seeing, sensing and maybe it is me - too much demand for equality of outcome irrespective of anything other than gender.
I had a debate with a female relative not so long ago - late 20's and I simply suggested that if you try and force and mandate the equality of outcome and not just the equality of opportunity - you are creating the very discrimination you are professing to challenge, just in your favour. Now barely speaking as I was "just a typical man"!
It's odd. I'm on both LI and Facebook and I don't see them.I believe utterly in the equality of opportunity, I seem to be seeing, sensing and maybe it is me - too much demand for equality of outcome irrespective of anything other than gender.
I had a debate with a female relative not so long ago - late 20's and I simply suggested that if you try and force and mandate the equality of outcome and not just the equality of opportunity - you are creating the very discrimination you are professing to challenge, just in your favour. Now barely speaking as I was "just a typical man"!
I wonder if it's one of those things people only notice if they have strong feelings about them (either FOR or AGAINST). Perhaps a bit like "BBC bias"?
Countdown said:
slightlyoldgit said:
LinkedIn and Facebook for sure - demanding that unless all roles are 50:50 representation = men are bad and suppressing women.
I believe utterly in the equality of opportunity, I seem to be seeing, sensing and maybe it is me - too much demand for equality of outcome irrespective of anything other than gender.
I had a debate with a female relative not so long ago - late 20's and I simply suggested that if you try and force and mandate the equality of outcome and not just the equality of opportunity - you are creating the very discrimination you are professing to challenge, just in your favour. Now barely speaking as I was "just a typical man"!
It's odd. I'm on both LI and Facebook and I don't see them.I believe utterly in the equality of opportunity, I seem to be seeing, sensing and maybe it is me - too much demand for equality of outcome irrespective of anything other than gender.
I had a debate with a female relative not so long ago - late 20's and I simply suggested that if you try and force and mandate the equality of outcome and not just the equality of opportunity - you are creating the very discrimination you are professing to challenge, just in your favour. Now barely speaking as I was "just a typical man"!
I wonder if it's one of those things people only notice if they have strong feelings about them (either FOR or AGAINST). Perhaps a bit like "BBC bias"?
https://www.linkedin.com/company/thefemalelead/
On the surface I love the fact they are promoting equality of opportunity and there are some really inspiring posts.
Then dig in to a few of the posts, the followers and their agendas...
Countdown said:
slightlyoldgit said:
LinkedIn and Facebook for sure - demanding that unless all roles are 50:50 representation = men are bad and suppressing women.
I believe utterly in the equality of opportunity, I seem to be seeing, sensing and maybe it is me - too much demand for equality of outcome irrespective of anything other than gender.
I had a debate with a female relative not so long ago - late 20's and I simply suggested that if you try and force and mandate the equality of outcome and not just the equality of opportunity - you are creating the very discrimination you are professing to challenge, just in your favour. Now barely speaking as I was "just a typical man"!
It's odd. I'm on both LI and Facebook and I don't see them.I believe utterly in the equality of opportunity, I seem to be seeing, sensing and maybe it is me - too much demand for equality of outcome irrespective of anything other than gender.
I had a debate with a female relative not so long ago - late 20's and I simply suggested that if you try and force and mandate the equality of outcome and not just the equality of opportunity - you are creating the very discrimination you are professing to challenge, just in your favour. Now barely speaking as I was "just a typical man"!
I wonder if it's one of those things people only notice if they have strong feelings about them (either FOR or AGAINST). Perhaps a bit like "BBC bias"?
Anyway, perhaps the people in question are bothered about this:
https://qz.com/1812802/un-study-finds-almost-90-of...
"UN study finds that nearly 90% of men and women are biased against women."
slightlyoldgit said:
Is it just me or is it all going a bit far now?
I am all for the equality of the sexes and essentially equality of opportunity, there seems to be (to me at least) an overkill on it all now.
I am old fashioned I know, I am also a realist and I am sure I will get shot into flames for even suggesting it - but for me at least, there is too much militancy in too many quarters that seem to want to force equality of outcome not just opportunity.
I'm absolutely in favour of more equality, in my early career I worked in a couple of roles where the ultimate team-lead/boss was female and they did a better job than their male counterparts for the most part.I am all for the equality of the sexes and essentially equality of opportunity, there seems to be (to me at least) an overkill on it all now.
I am old fashioned I know, I am also a realist and I am sure I will get shot into flames for even suggesting it - but for me at least, there is too much militancy in too many quarters that seem to want to force equality of outcome not just opportunity.
The unspoken issue is - when people couple up and decide to start a family, by nature the woman has to shoulder most of the burden; carry the child, give birth, take several months maternity etc.
Its unfortunate that the normal child-bearing age, (20's-30's), is the same time that you can best advance in your chosen profession. A lot of women who have kids must be annoyed as they watch from the sidelines as people get promoted above them through no fault of their own.
OzzyR1 said:
slightlyoldgit said:
Is it just me or is it all going a bit far now?
I am all for the equality of the sexes and essentially equality of opportunity, there seems to be (to me at least) an overkill on it all now.
I am old fashioned I know, I am also a realist and I am sure I will get shot into flames for even suggesting it - but for me at least, there is too much militancy in too many quarters that seem to want to force equality of outcome not just opportunity.
I'm absolutely in favour of more equality, in my early career I worked in a couple of roles where the ultimate team-lead/boss was female and they did a better job than their male counterparts for the most part.I am all for the equality of the sexes and essentially equality of opportunity, there seems to be (to me at least) an overkill on it all now.
I am old fashioned I know, I am also a realist and I am sure I will get shot into flames for even suggesting it - but for me at least, there is too much militancy in too many quarters that seem to want to force equality of outcome not just opportunity.
The unspoken issue is - when people couple up and decide to start a family, by nature the woman has to shoulder most of the burden; carry the child, give birth, take several months maternity etc.
Its unfortunate that the normal child-bearing age, (20's-30's), is the same time that you can best advance in your chosen profession. A lot of women who have kids must be annoyed as they watch from the sidelines as people get promoted above them through no fault of their own.
I think you can always point to examples of people and policies that can appear extreme on almost anything.
I work in a fairly typical industry and lead a fairly sad and normal life and I can honestly say I can't think of any occasions where I've sat there and thought "those bloody feminists" because something has impacted me.
You could apply it to almost anything, race, religion, sexuality, veganism, all the usual things that seem to come up on here as being "rampant" issues.
When you ask "how does it impact you personally on a daily basis?" there's usually a bit of a tumbleweed.
I work in a fairly typical industry and lead a fairly sad and normal life and I can honestly say I can't think of any occasions where I've sat there and thought "those bloody feminists" because something has impacted me.
You could apply it to almost anything, race, religion, sexuality, veganism, all the usual things that seem to come up on here as being "rampant" issues.
When you ask "how does it impact you personally on a daily basis?" there's usually a bit of a tumbleweed.
OzzyR1 said:
I'm absolutely in favour of more equality, in my early career I worked in a couple of roles where the ultimate team-lead/boss was female and they did a better job than their male counterparts for the most part.
The unspoken issue is - when people couple up and decide to start a family, by nature the woman has to shoulder most of the burden; carry the child, give birth, take several months maternity etc.
Its unfortunate that the normal child-bearing age, (20's-30's), is the same time that you can best advance in your chosen profession. A lot of women who have kids must be annoyed as they watch from the sidelines as people get promoted above them through no fault of their own.
What equality are you in favour of there being more of? Equality of opportunity or equality of outcome? The unspoken issue is - when people couple up and decide to start a family, by nature the woman has to shoulder most of the burden; carry the child, give birth, take several months maternity etc.
Its unfortunate that the normal child-bearing age, (20's-30's), is the same time that you can best advance in your chosen profession. A lot of women who have kids must be annoyed as they watch from the sidelines as people get promoted above them through no fault of their own.
I think personally that modern feminism is so misguided because it wants to make women more like men. It is not therefore arguing for equality but saying there is something wrong with being a woman.
We will have true equality between the sexes when the roles women traditionally play in society are equally valued to the roles men traditionally play.
We will have true equality between the sexes when the roles women traditionally play in society are equally valued to the roles men traditionally play.
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