SS prison guard in America
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Fatball

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83 months

Saturday 7th March 2020
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Reading news today that a 94 yr old former SS Nazi prison guard has been found living in the US and it came to light after his records were found on a ship that had sunk but since re floated.

What surprised me is that Germany are still paying his pension. Now I know that he would have been a young man and went where he was sent but he will no doubt face questions and possible punishment when the US send him back to Germany.

Leaves me wondering that if Germany is paying his and no doubt others pensions then they must have some record of where they were stationed and what they were doing throughout the war or were these type of records destroyed so that all anyone knew was that they served but not where?

Murph7355

40,984 posts

280 months

Saturday 7th March 2020
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Hunters - fiction meets fact smile

TheRainMaker

7,724 posts

266 months

Saturday 7th March 2020
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Google operation paper clip.

bigandclever

14,240 posts

262 months

Saturday 7th March 2020
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Fatball said:
it came to light after his records were found on a ship that had sunk but since re floated.
the ship was refloated in 1949, they’ve taken their sweet time.

Fatball

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645 posts

83 months

Saturday 7th March 2020
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TheRainMaker said:
Google operation paper clip.
Seems that if they have a use then previous history if okay.

vonuber

17,868 posts

189 months

Saturday 7th March 2020
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Fatball said:
Seems that if they have a use then previous history if okay.
I wonder what pay grade you have to be for a bit of genocide / slave labour to be waved?

0ddball

912 posts

163 months

Sunday 8th March 2020
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Fatball said:
TheRainMaker said:
Google operation paper clip.
Seems that if they have a use then previous history if okay.
Disgusting isn't it! It's something that will always tarnish the US, and specifically their space program achievements for me. Built on the death and suffering of millions.

amusingduck

9,649 posts

160 months

Sunday 8th March 2020
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vonuber said:
Fatball said:
Seems that if they have a use then previous history if okay.
I wonder what pay grade you have to be for a bit of genocide / slave labour to be waved?
See: China

Swampy1982

3,502 posts

135 months

Sunday 8th March 2020
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TheRainMaker said:
Google operation paper clip.
Came here to post the same.

My mrs had never heard of it then I showed her and she was appalled.

If that's what's in the public domain, imagine what they did and have subsequently covered up!

Fast and Spurious

1,802 posts

112 months

Sunday 8th March 2020
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0ddball said:
Fatball said:
TheRainMaker said:
Google operation paper clip.
Seems that if they have a use then previous history if okay.
Disgusting isn't it! It's something that will always tarnish the US, and specifically their space program achievements for me. Built on the death and suffering of millions.
No not just the US, all of mankind's space program actually.

Eric Mc

124,992 posts

289 months

Sunday 8th March 2020
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0ddball said:
Disgusting isn't it! It's something that will always tarnish the US, and specifically their space program achievements for me. Built on the death and suffering of millions.
Not just their space programme. In fact, the space programme probably relied less on German technology that some other areas, such as aviation or medicine.

The space programme, especially the Army Ballistic Missile Agency at Huntsville, Alabama stands out because it became high profile and its leader, Werner Von Braun, was a chap who courted the media.

anonymous-user

78 months

Sunday 8th March 2020
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You see the complexities with the Ivan the terrible trial.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_the_Terrible_(T...

Obviously with this guy it’s easier to establish identity but it seems unlikely he’d face trial at his age.

anonymous-user

78 months

Sunday 8th March 2020
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Eric Mc said:
0ddball said:
Disgusting isn't it! It's something that will always tarnish the US, and specifically their space program achievements for me. Built on the death and suffering of millions.
Not just their space programme. In fact, the space programme probably relied less on German technology that some other areas, such as aviation or medicine.

The space programme, especially the Army Ballistic Missile Agency at Huntsville, Alabama stands out because it became high profile and its leader, Werner Von Braun, was a chap who courted the media.
Difficult though, they couldn’t have the Russians getting the technology and knowledge. Do they then capture the scientists and say “these guys would be useful but we’ll ignore their knowledge”

BOR

5,097 posts

279 months

Sunday 8th March 2020
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vonuber said:
I wonder what pay grade you have to be for a bit of genocide / slave labour to be waved?

The Dreher Gesetz was brought in in the 60s, and somehow accidentlyonpurpose reduced these crimes to the level of a parking offence.

Eric Mc

124,992 posts

289 months

Sunday 8th March 2020
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El stovey said:
Eric Mc said:
0ddball said:
Disgusting isn't it! It's something that will always tarnish the US, and specifically their space program achievements for me. Built on the death and suffering of millions.
Not just their space programme. In fact, the space programme probably relied less on German technology that some other areas, such as aviation or medicine.

The space programme, especially the Army Ballistic Missile Agency at Huntsville, Alabama stands out because it became high profile and its leader, Werner Von Braun, was a chap who courted the media.
Difficult though, they couldn’t have the Russians getting the technology and knowledge. Do they then capture the scientists and say “these guys would be useful but we’ll ignore their knowledge”
There is a huge misconception that the US space programme was reliant on German technology. Nothing could be further from the truth. The reality is that certain (and important) aspects of space technology did indeed come from Germany after World War 2 - but the US itself had quite a few independent and separate technical lines of development in rocketry, guidance, telemetry etc which owed virtually nothing to Germany.

The US had been running its own rocket programmes since the early 1920s and were in a very good position to absorb what they could from the Germans in 1945.

The main contribution made by the German scientists was the Redstone/Jupiter/Saturn programmes initiated by the Army Ballistic Missile Agency under the auspices of Von Braun and his fellow Germans. These were army programmes which eventually were transferred to NASA and became important once NASA set its sights on the moon.

Throughout the period 1940 right through to the present day, the Navy, Air Force and other Department of Defense agencies and civilian organisations have maintained their own separate programmes independent of each other.

In the 1950s, the Navy and Air Force maintained their own completely independent missile programmes that borrowed virtually nothing from German technology. It was these programmes that gave us Thor, Delta, Atlas and Titan boosters which became the workhorses of the various military and space programmes of the 50s,60s ,70s and 80s. Indeed, Atlas and Delta in highly developed forms, are still in use to this very day, .

Wills2

28,324 posts

199 months

Sunday 8th March 2020
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There is no misconception that Nazi scientists like Von Braun played a major roll in the US space program because they did.




vonuber

17,868 posts

189 months

Sunday 8th March 2020
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Wills2 said:
There is no misconception that Nazi scientists like Von Braun played a major roll in the US space program because they did.
Given large parts of the wehrmacht were given shiny new uniforms to start the bundeswehr its not surprising.

'In the early months of 1951, public declarations from Dwight D. Eisenhower and other American military brass followed, outlining 'a real difference between the German soldier and Hitler and his criminal group.'
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiederbewaffnung

NDA

24,997 posts

249 months

Sunday 8th March 2020
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vonuber said:
Given large parts of the wehrmacht were given shiny new uniforms to start the bundeswehr its not surprising.
Made by Hugo Boss I believe.

Fast and Spurious

1,802 posts

112 months

Sunday 8th March 2020
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El stovey said:
Eric Mc said:
0ddball said:
Disgusting isn't it! It's something that will always tarnish the US, and specifically their space program achievements for me. Built on the death and suffering of millions.
Not just their space programme. In fact, the space programme probably relied less on German technology that some other areas, such as aviation or medicine.

The space programme, especially the Army Ballistic Missile Agency at Huntsville, Alabama stands out because it became high profile and its leader, Werner Von Braun, was a chap who courted the media.
Difficult though, they couldn’t have the Russians getting the technology and knowledge. Do they then capture the scientists and say “these guys would be useful but we’ll ignore their knowledge”
In fact the Russians benefitted more from German technology and knowledge captured after the end of the war. They were driven to make use of it by the military under Stalin, hence their early lead in the "space race".

Fast and Spurious

1,802 posts

112 months

Sunday 8th March 2020
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0ddball said:
Fatball said:
TheRainMaker said:
Google operation paper clip.
Seems that if they have a use then previous history if okay.
Disgusting isn't it! It's something that will always tarnish the US, and specifically their space program achievements for me. Built on the death and suffering of millions.
Thousands, not millions - presuming that you are referring to the slave workers used in the rocket factories.