Coronavirus Crisis - indirect impact and consequences
Discussion
Separate thread for reporting/predicting non medical impacts of all this.
Given the growing concern, I'd suggest we are just weeks away from major cancellations of global events - Olympics, F1, other sporting championships. if not cancelled, held behind 'closed doors'. Football matches in Italy already doing this.
Travel industry collapse
Cancellation of non emergency medical procedures.
Talk of global recession today is gathering real momentum.
Given the growing concern, I'd suggest we are just weeks away from major cancellations of global events - Olympics, F1, other sporting championships. if not cancelled, held behind 'closed doors'. Football matches in Italy already doing this.
Travel industry collapse
Cancellation of non emergency medical procedures.
Talk of global recession today is gathering real momentum.
I just don't understand why they would cancel all these events.
It doesn't appear to be that much worse than a bad flu and certainly to the general populous whom will be able to contract it, recover without any medical intervention!
I believe the flu death rate is around 0.1-0.2%
Corona Virus for an under 50yr old is 0.4% so I'd take my chances rather than be cooped up!
Although the worry would be if it mutates!
It doesn't appear to be that much worse than a bad flu and certainly to the general populous whom will be able to contract it, recover without any medical intervention!
I believe the flu death rate is around 0.1-0.2%
Corona Virus for an under 50yr old is 0.4% so I'd take my chances rather than be cooped up!
Although the worry would be if it mutates!
xjay1337 said:
I just don't understand why they would cancel all these events...
Think about it awhile...all those people at the events, greater chance of mingling with some who are infected, so some more get it...and take it home and spread it to more vulnerable members of their family and friends...xjay1337 said:
I just don't understand why they would cancel all these events.
It doesn't appear to be that much worse than a bad flu and certainly to the general populous whom will be able to contract it, recover without any medical intervention!
I believe the flu death rate is around 0.1-0.2%
Corona Virus for an under 50yr old is 0.4% so I'd take my chances rather than be cooped up!
Although the worry would be if it mutates!
Yeah, the thing is, other people's lives are important too, so policy can't just be based on your convenience.It doesn't appear to be that much worse than a bad flu and certainly to the general populous whom will be able to contract it, recover without any medical intervention!
I believe the flu death rate is around 0.1-0.2%
Corona Virus for an under 50yr old is 0.4% so I'd take my chances rather than be cooped up!
Although the worry would be if it mutates!
otolith said:
xjay1337 said:
I just don't understand why they would cancel all these events.
It doesn't appear to be that much worse than a bad flu and certainly to the general populous whom will be able to contract it, recover without any medical intervention!
I believe the flu death rate is around 0.1-0.2%
Corona Virus for an under 50yr old is 0.4% so I'd take my chances rather than be cooped up!
Although the worry would be if it mutates!
Yeah, the thing is, other people's lives are important too, so policy can't just be based on your convenience.It doesn't appear to be that much worse than a bad flu and certainly to the general populous whom will be able to contract it, recover without any medical intervention!
I believe the flu death rate is around 0.1-0.2%
Corona Virus for an under 50yr old is 0.4% so I'd take my chances rather than be cooped up!
Although the worry would be if it mutates!
The selfishness demonstrated on the PH threads by many people is exactly why the damn thing is spreading the way it is, and are passing it onto people that have existing health issues which means they may well not survive it.
xjay1337 said:
I just don't understand why they would cancel all these events.
It doesn't appear to be that much worse than a bad flu and certainly to the general populous whom will be able to contract it, recover without any medical intervention!
I believe the flu death rate is around 0.1-0.2%
Corona Virus for an under 50yr old is 0.4% so I'd take my chances rather than be cooped up!
Although the worry would be if it mutates!
Evidence from China suggests 20% of patients require hospital treatment. For the week ending February 16 average bed occupancy in the 132 NHS trusts in England was at 94%.It doesn't appear to be that much worse than a bad flu and certainly to the general populous whom will be able to contract it, recover without any medical intervention!
I believe the flu death rate is around 0.1-0.2%
Corona Virus for an under 50yr old is 0.4% so I'd take my chances rather than be cooped up!
Although the worry would be if it mutates!
Therefore I think the concern goes far further than simply the death rate.
otolith said:
xjay1337 said:
I just don't understand why they would cancel all these events.
It doesn't appear to be that much worse than a bad flu and certainly to the general populous whom will be able to contract it, recover without any medical intervention!
I believe the flu death rate is around 0.1-0.2%
Corona Virus for an under 50yr old is 0.4% so I'd take my chances rather than be cooped up!
Although the worry would be if it mutates!
Yeah, the thing is, other people's lives are important too, so policy can't just be based on your convenience.It doesn't appear to be that much worse than a bad flu and certainly to the general populous whom will be able to contract it, recover without any medical intervention!
I believe the flu death rate is around 0.1-0.2%
Corona Virus for an under 50yr old is 0.4% so I'd take my chances rather than be cooped up!
Although the worry would be if it mutates!
Ultimately though there's a very difficult balance to be struck between protecting the population and ensuring the conomy doesn't fall of a cliff or even worse we enter a world depression (the results of which would undoubtedly be worse that a temporary blip in mortality rates).
What will be particularly interesting is how we will reflect on the hitherto perceived advantages of 'globalisation' once the dust finaly settles down.
What will be particularly interesting is how we will reflect on the hitherto perceived advantages of 'globalisation' once the dust finaly settles down.
There's going to be some political opportunism cropping up. This has already reared its head in Cyprus with the closing of all but two of the crossing points between the north and the south, a closure that was implemented by the south and against the advice of the UN. This has led to some rather agitated protests and opened some wounds that had previously been healed.
Cynics might suggest that the south is using the situation as a covert attempt to scupper the north's increasing alignment with the EU.
http://www.ekathimerini.com/250316/article/ekathim...
Cynics might suggest that the south is using the situation as a covert attempt to scupper the north's increasing alignment with the EU.
http://www.ekathimerini.com/250316/article/ekathim...
I don't think anyone can be quoting mortality rates at the moment, the likelihood is that confirmed cases are grossly under-reported and likelihood is thousands more have had it but it literally presented itself as a bit of a cold and people just carried on as is. Confirmed cases in the UK circa 300, likely cases is going to be thousands.
I have a little sympathy with the poster that got lambasted above, millions of people are commuting each day on the London transport network, yet we are worrying about a football stadium containing a fraction of the number of people.
This has come as a kick up the backside and the fear factor is driven by the stark fact that we cannot control everything, that nature can very quickly just give us a little nudge in the side and say "oi, you aren't really in control and your squabbling about borders and politics could all become irrelevant very quickly if I decide it"
I have a little sympathy with the poster that got lambasted above, millions of people are commuting each day on the London transport network, yet we are worrying about a football stadium containing a fraction of the number of people.
This has come as a kick up the backside and the fear factor is driven by the stark fact that we cannot control everything, that nature can very quickly just give us a little nudge in the side and say "oi, you aren't really in control and your squabbling about borders and politics could all become irrelevant very quickly if I decide it"
k me do we really need another coronavirus thread!! cant this be covered in one of the 872 already running? Tlandcruiser said:
It was evident there was going to be huge economic impact the moment the Chinese shut down their factories.
FWIW many were back up and running, as of last week, albeit at not fully staffed.I can't quite 'get' what's gone so badly wrong in Italy, compared to other Western nations.
I can see decimation of certain industries; travel and leisure especially.
One indirect consequence is that a couple intending to celebrate their 50th anniversary with a rather upmarket cruise in the summer look to lose their holiday.
It's not the loss of the deposit that upsets me. All the anticipation negated. It was fun planning, so that's a positive. We've got a couple of months before the full price will be payable, but from what I can gather from someone in the travel business, the odds of it going ahead are going up every day. It's selfish, I know, thinking of a few hundred pounds and a holiday against an international crisis, but we've been planning this for two years.
My wife used to be in the travel business and has maintained a couple of contacts, and they are, according to her, really depressing to talk to. They see no chance of a turnaround.
We're looking for alternative holidays in the UK, but without enthusiasm.
It's not the loss of the deposit that upsets me. All the anticipation negated. It was fun planning, so that's a positive. We've got a couple of months before the full price will be payable, but from what I can gather from someone in the travel business, the odds of it going ahead are going up every day. It's selfish, I know, thinking of a few hundred pounds and a holiday against an international crisis, but we've been planning this for two years.
My wife used to be in the travel business and has maintained a couple of contacts, and they are, according to her, really depressing to talk to. They see no chance of a turnaround.
We're looking for alternative holidays in the UK, but without enthusiasm.
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