Coronavirus and EXPATS
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Ayahuasca

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27,560 posts

303 months

Friday 20th March 2020
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It is a worldwide pandemic, but it affects expats in different ways. We don’t have the NHS, we have whatever local health resource are available. Some additional issues:

Where I am there are only a handful of ventilators and already talk is of only well-connected people being able to have access.

There are no flights out, so stuck. No way to get home.

If elderly parents and other family in the UK are affected in a bad way, will be unable to help and will have to watch from afar.

If I somehow manage to make it back, HMRC will be wanting a large amount of cash from me (I don’t expect any sympathy on this, and it should not be a main concern).

There is some concern over looting if it all goes tits, trusty machete is kept by my door...



Anyone else?





Downward

5,430 posts

127 months

Friday 20th March 2020
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I live in Birmingham and it’s the same here.

i4got

5,928 posts

102 months

Friday 20th March 2020
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Aren't many of these criteria that ex-pats would have already taken into account before deciding on that option?

Ayahuasca

Original Poster:

27,560 posts

303 months

Friday 20th March 2020
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i4got said:
Aren't many of these criteria that ex-pats would have already taken into account before deciding on that option?
You might have amazing powers of anticipation, but I did not foresee the air routes closing.

anonymous-user

78 months

Friday 20th March 2020
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I guess it’s all luck and the consequences of our choices.

We’ve just been overseas for a month, missed being quarantined in different places by just a couple of days a couple of times.

There are a good number of Brit travellers stuck overseas and similarly quite some non brits stuck in the UK.

Similarly with ex pats, I suppose.

Mrr T

14,922 posts

289 months

Friday 20th March 2020
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Ayahuasca said:
It is a worldwide pandemic, but it affects expats in different ways. We don’t have the NHS, we have whatever local health resource are available. Some additional issues:

Where I am there are only a handful of ventilators and already talk is of only well-connected people being able to have access.

There are no flights out, so stuck. No way to get home.

If elderly parents and other family in the UK are affected in a bad way, will be unable to help and will have to watch from afar.

If I somehow manage to make it back, HMRC will be wanting a large amount of cash from me (I don’t expect any sympathy on this, and it should not be a main concern).

There is some concern over looting if it all goes tits, trusty machete is kept by my door...



Anyone else?
Even if you can get back you would not be entitled to free NHS care unless you have a EHIC from your country of residence.

Ayahuasca

Original Poster:

27,560 posts

303 months

Friday 20th March 2020
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Mrr T said:
Ayahuasca said:
It is a worldwide pandemic, but it affects expats in different ways. We don’t have the NHS, we have whatever local health resource are available. Some additional issues:

Where I am there are only a handful of ventilators and already talk is of only well-connected people being able to have access.

There are no flights out, so stuck. No way to get home.

If elderly parents and other family in the UK are affected in a bad way, will be unable to help and will have to watch from afar.

If I somehow manage to make it back, HMRC will be wanting a large amount of cash from me (I don’t expect any sympathy on this, and it should not be a main concern).

There is some concern over looting if it all goes tits, trusty machete is kept by my door...



Anyone else?
Even if you can get back you would not be entitled to free NHS care unless you have a EHIC from your country of residence.
Indeed, but that is not really a concern. It is more the relatives thing.

Canute

566 posts

92 months

Friday 20th March 2020
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In Sweden here, with my Swedish wife and self-isolating ;-)

NMNeil

5,860 posts

74 months

Friday 20th March 2020
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Ayahuasca said:
It is a worldwide pandemic, but it affects expats in different ways. We don’t have the NHS, we have whatever local health resource are available. Some additional issues:

There is some concern over looting if it all goes tits, trusty machete is kept by my door...

Anyone else?
Hasn't hit New Mexico hard yet, but I have a larder full or last years preserved harvest, with plenty of Jack Daniels and toilet paper stashed.
Trusty Mossberg 12 gauge pump action by the door, and my AK-47 next to the bed.
I don't own a machete.biggrin

lampchair

6,024 posts

210 months

Friday 20th March 2020
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H1 2020 might be the time that makes people strong think about going ExPat or not in future.

mcdjl

5,703 posts

219 months

Friday 20th March 2020
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Ayahuasca said:
It is a worldwide pandemic, but it affects expats in different ways. We don’t have the NHS, we have whatever local health resource are available. Some additional issues:

Where I am there are only a handful of ventilators and already talk is of only well-connected people being able to have access.

There are no flights out, so stuck. No way to get home.

If elderly parents and other family in the UK are affected in a bad way, will be unable to help and will have to watch from afar.

If I somehow manage to make it back, HMRC will be wanting a large amount of cash from me (I don’t expect any sympathy on this, and it should not be a main concern).

There is some concern over looting if it all goes tits, trusty machete is kept by my door...

Anyone else?
Seeing colleagues/friends dealing with parents with dementia, cancer, parkinsons how were you planning on helping in the event of those? Would you move back? Yes under normal circumstances you could fly back, but they're all long term conditions. Covid is likely to be short term, though much more disruptive. I hope you never have to make that decision, its something that bears on my mind and i'm a 2hr drive from my parents.

SeeFive

8,353 posts

257 months

Friday 20th March 2020
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lampchair said:
H1 2020 might be the time that makes people strong think about going ExPat or not in future.
Maybe if the Chinese go “ex-Bat” it might be a little bit of help.

paulmakin

727 posts

165 months

Friday 20th March 2020
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i'm on one of the last UK flights from tobago on monday. i was visiting the UK in summer anyway so blinked first and re-booked.

we have no officially recorded cases on island yet but it's getting a bit grim, perhaps taking years to bounce back. bars, restaurants closed or prepping to close with hotels following suit as their last guests check out, although i know of one which has served "eviction" notices on its remaining clientele. non-essential businesses are advised to close but not mandated as yet.

we have very basic and under-developed infrastructures, including health facilities. quarantine beds for less than 30 people are available on island but ITU beds are scarce.

shops remain well stocked with no real shortages but ? for how long as our supply chain is all external these days. ferries from trinidad are still running but the air-bridge is just a handful of flights per day as opposed to the usual 3 per hour.

as a resident i'd be allowed back whenever i chose to return but there'll be no flights for months and i have elderly parents and a frail sibling to consider so i'm out for the duration

paul

Downward

5,430 posts

127 months

Friday 20th March 2020
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Ayahuasca said:
i4got said:
Aren't many of these criteria that ex-pats would have already taken into account before deciding on that option?
You might have amazing powers of anticipation, but I did not foresee the air routes closing.
Ash cloud ?

Gargamel

16,163 posts

285 months

Friday 20th March 2020
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Canute said:
In Sweden here, with my Swedish wife and self-isolating ;-)
I hear you loud and clear, am doing similar in Amsterdam with my Dutch GF...

Ayahuasca

Original Poster:

27,560 posts

303 months

Friday 20th March 2020
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mcdjl said:
Ayahuasca said:
It is a worldwide pandemic, but it affects expats in different ways. We don’t have the NHS, we have whatever local health resource are available. Some additional issues:

Where I am there are only a handful of ventilators and already talk is of only well-connected people being able to have access.

There are no flights out, so stuck. No way to get home.

If elderly parents and other family in the UK are affected in a bad way, will be unable to help and will have to watch from afar.

If I somehow manage to make it back, HMRC will be wanting a large amount of cash from me (I don’t expect any sympathy on this, and it should not be a main concern).

There is some concern over looting if it all goes tits, trusty machete is kept by my door...

Anyone else?
Seeing colleagues/friends dealing with parents with dementia, cancer, parkinsons how were you planning on helping in the event of those? Would you move back? Yes under normal circumstances you could fly back, but they're all long term conditions. Covid is likely to be short term, though much more disruptive. I hope you never have to make that decision, its something that bears on my mind and i'm a 2hr drive from my parents.
Yes would move back if needed in those circumstances. Can always hop on a plane and be back in a few hours. Except now can’t.

Jasandjules

72,035 posts

253 months

Friday 20th March 2020
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I presume the concept of being an Ex Pat is to leave the country and never return. So why do you want to come back now? The place you now live is home right?

Ayahuasca

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27,560 posts

303 months

Friday 20th March 2020
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Jasandjules said:
I presume the concept of being an Ex Pat is to leave the country and never return. So why do you want to come back now? The place you now live is home right?
No, I went abroad as part of my job (a UK company). No intention of it being permanent.

Wayne E Edge

545 posts

175 months

Friday 20th March 2020
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We are in lockdown in central rural Brittany. We have a bit of space so not too bad. Supermarkets, for the moment are well stocked and no panic buying. Car park emptied at lunch time.
Where in the world are you, OP?

Jasandjules

72,035 posts

253 months

Friday 20th March 2020
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Ayahuasca said:
Jasandjules said:
I presume the concept of being an Ex Pat is to leave the country and never return. So why do you want to come back now? The place you now live is home right?
No, I went abroad as part of my job (a UK company). No intention of it being permanent.
Can your company not arrange to get you back ?