How can the Government raise money, without raising taxes
How can the Government raise money, without raising taxes
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CzechItOut

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2,156 posts

215 months

Wednesday 1st April 2020
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Clearly the Government will be looking down the back of the sofa, hoping to find the odd billion to pay for the recent Covid-19 spending promises.

However, standard tax increases are both generally badly received and politically unpleasant.

Therefore, what are some of the more ingenious ways the Government can raise income without raising taxes.

CzechItOut

Original Poster:

2,156 posts

215 months

Wednesday 1st April 2020
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For me, the two most obvious are:

Legalisation (and taxation) of illicit substances. The obvious is marijuana, but why not go a little deeper and legalise psychedelics, which might also help bring some much needed unity to the country.

Change limited liability laws to make directors personal liable for VAT, Corporation Tax, PAYE and NIC when companies go bust. Clearly there is a vast amount of pisstaking going on with people winding up their companies having taken out all the money, dissolving them and waiting to be struck off.

MX6

5,987 posts

237 months

Wednesday 1st April 2020
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The obvious answer is to grow the economy... They are currently in the process of doing the opposite so there will have to be some quite drastic measures to get things resurrected I think.

They really need to properly tax online retailers like Amazon, as if we are not careful there is going to be little of the high street left soon to be paying any tax.

monkfish1

12,253 posts

248 months

Wednesday 1st April 2020
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CzechItOut said:
For me, the two most obvious are:

Change limited liability laws to make directors personal liable for VAT, Corporation Tax, PAYE and NIC when companies go bust. Clearly there is a vast amount of pisstaking going on with people winding up their companies having taken out all the money, dissolving them and waiting to be struck off.
Yeah, right. Thats going to encourage business. Why would anyone even contemplate running a business under those arrangements?

You have no idea do you?

menousername

2,370 posts

166 months

Wednesday 1st April 2020
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Jasey_ said:
Lower the age you can access your pension lump sum to 50.

Should inject some much needed cash for some families.
Would need 3 / 4 / 5 years at least to recover surely - anyone taking that any time soon going to find there is significantly less there to draw down than 2 months ago


menousername

2,370 posts

166 months

Wednesday 1st April 2020
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Not to be disagreeable but think most will actually have very small pensions and no real understanding of fixed income vs equities, volatility etc

Most fixed income is also taking a bit of a hammering too

moles

1,849 posts

268 months

Wednesday 1st April 2020
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The majority haven’t even got any pension of any note have they to take a lump sum from?.

Gecko1978

12,302 posts

181 months

Wednesday 1st April 2020
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Inflation....inflation and well a bit more inflation.

Has to impact wages too so Minimum wage will need to go up alot as will all other wages and prices too.

So your cleaner now gets 40k a year and you 80k for example but a coffee is £6 not £2.50 and the pound is worh less but you get paid more and the debt is fixed or in a large part with low interest rates.

Randy Winkman

21,141 posts

213 months

Wednesday 1st April 2020
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Sell things. We could sell Buckingham Palace to Donald Trump or Vladimir Putin.

kurt535

3,560 posts

141 months

Wednesday 1st April 2020
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gilts

quant easing


Brave Fart

6,504 posts

135 months

Wednesday 1st April 2020
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Jasey_ said:
Lower the age you can access your pension lump sum to 50.

Should inject some much needed cash for some families.
Also relax the rules about Defined Benefit pension schemes. If a citizen is prepared to sign a piece of paper saying "I know what I'm doing, let me exchange my Final Salary scheme for a lump sum now, and I promise not to sue anyone if it goes wrong", then that is what should happen. You should not need to seek financial advice; let people access their own money. Just like we do already with Defined Contribution schemes.
The current barriers to this are crazy, and are locking up funds which the economy will really need very soon.

Big-Bo-Beep

884 posts

78 months

Wednesday 1st April 2020
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could sell gibraltar to the spanish, falklands to the argies and put n. ireland on ebay, do us all a favour.

Tryke3

1,609 posts

118 months

Wednesday 1st April 2020
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Cummings plan was better

PositronicRay

28,683 posts

207 months

Wednesday 1st April 2020
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Gecko1978 said:
Inflation....inflation and well a bit more inflation.

Has to impact wages too so Minimum wage will need to go up alot as will all other wages and prices too.

So your cleaner now gets 40k a year and you 80k for example but a coffee is £6 not £2.50 and the pound is worh less but you get paid more and the debt is fixed or in a large part with low interest rates.
This is how we eventually paid off WW2 debt. (Dec 2006)

Murph7355

40,984 posts

280 months

Wednesday 1st April 2020
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MX6 said:
The obvious answer is to grow the economy... They are currently in the process of doing the opposite so there will have to be some quite drastic measures to get things resurrected I think.

They really need to properly tax online retailers like Amazon, as if we are not careful there is going to be little of the high street left soon to be paying any tax.
Companies don't pay tax.

To fix the problems you first need to understand and accept that fact. Then work on adjustments to the system to accommodate it (if felt desirable to do so).

Cold

16,456 posts

114 months

Wednesday 1st April 2020
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Make stuff here and sell it abroad. Simple. thumbup

s2art

18,942 posts

277 months

Wednesday 1st April 2020
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Get out of the EU, minimal deal, reflect the tariffs of the EU except for stuff we dont make or grow. That means any purchases of BMWs and the like will be a voluntary contribution to the treasury.

Gerradi

1,960 posts

144 months

Wednesday 1st April 2020
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Tryke3 said:
Cummings plan was better
Tryke3 said:
Very simplistic view

markcoznottz

7,155 posts

248 months

Wednesday 1st April 2020
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kurt535 said:
gilts

quant easing
On the b of e website, the total qe has jumped £210 billion, just says 'march'. So that must be the stimulus money. I'm guessing it's for the furloughed wages bill, or some other stimuli as well?

raftom

1,299 posts

285 months

Wednesday 1st April 2020
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Create a new tax for buying politicians. A bunch of Russian, Chinese, Saudi and central Asian millionaires will be hit hard in the pocket with that.