Groups larger than 2 banned
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R Mutt

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5,896 posts

96 months

Thursday 9th April 2020
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Except you're not allowed to be with anyone from outside of your household therefore there is no legitimate group of 2 either.

Could someone please shed some light on this corona contradiction?

Perhaps an artifact in the wording from hastily drawn up legislation, although I'm starting to wonder either in fact the part they forgot to remove the was the exemption whereby you can go out with an unlimited number of people from your household.

anonymous-user

78 months

Thursday 9th April 2020
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R Mutt said:
Except you're not allowed to be with anyone from outside of your household therefore there is no legitimate group of 2 either.

Could someone please shed some light on this corona contradiction?

Perhaps an artifact in the wording from hastily drawn up legislation, although I'm starting to wonder either in fact the part they forgot to remove the was the exemption whereby you can go out with an unlimited number of people from your household.
Where are you reading this?

RobXjcoupe

3,390 posts

115 months

Thursday 9th April 2020
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Basically outside you can talk to someone with distance that’s not part of your house hold. For example Like saying thank you for a delivery.
It’s really not that hard to figure out

frisbee

5,510 posts

134 months

Thursday 9th April 2020
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mintybiscuit said:
the link said:
13. Can I go to the park?
You can still go to the park for outdoor exercise once a day but only alone or with members of your household, not in groups.

Communal places within parks such as sports courts, playgrounds and outdoor gyms have been closed to protect everyone’s health.

We ask that households use parks responsibly and keep 2 metres apart from others at all times.

Unless you are with members of your household, gatherings of more than two people in parks and other public spaces have been banned. The police have the powers to disperse gatherings and issue fines if necessary.
Yes, completely clear...

Vanden Saab

17,441 posts

98 months

Thursday 9th April 2020
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R Mutt said:
Except you're not allowed to be with anyone from outside of your household therefore there is no legitimate group of 2 either.

Could someone please shed some light on this corona contradiction?

Perhaps an artifact in the wording from hastily drawn up legislation, although I'm starting to wonder either in fact the part they forgot to remove the was the exemption whereby you can go out with an unlimited number of people from your household.
I may be wrong but i think the legislation states groups of two or more...

R Mutt

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5,896 posts

96 months

Thursday 9th April 2020
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-52010555

Officers have been given new powers to disperse more than two people meeting outside – unless they live in the same household

https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/24/police-break-groups...

Is this just the media who have made a mess of their interpretation? Because the government website states

7. Can I see my friends?
We must all stay away from each other to stop spreading the virus, and that means you should not be meeting friends unless you live in the same household.




R Mutt

Original Poster:

5,896 posts

96 months

Thursday 9th April 2020
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frisbee said:
mintybiscuit said:
the link said:
13. Can I go to the park?
You can still go to the park for outdoor exercise once a day but only alone or with members of your household, not in groups.

Communal places within parks such as sports courts, playgrounds and outdoor gyms have been closed to protect everyone’s health.

We ask that households use parks responsibly and keep 2 metres apart from others at all times.

Unless you are with members of your household, gatherings of more than two people in parks and other public spaces have been banned. The police have the powers to disperse gatherings and issue fines if necessary.
Yes, completely clear...
Thanks, those are the 2 contradictory sections I've read!

anonymous-user

78 months

Thursday 9th April 2020
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But surely it’s pretty clear what’s meant? Do we have to nit pick every fking thing?

I’m sure my grandkids could figure that one out.


voyds9

8,490 posts

307 months

Thursday 9th April 2020
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R Mutt said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-52010555

Officers have been given new powers to disperse more than two people meeting outside – unless they live in the same household

https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/24/police-break-groups...

Is this just the media who have made a mess of their interpretation? Because the government website states

7. Can I see my friends?
We must all stay away from each other to stop spreading the virus, and that means you should not be meeting friends unless you live in the same household.
And usually about 5 police arrive to tell you this

R Mutt

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96 months

Thursday 9th April 2020
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REALIST123 said:
But surely it’s pretty clear what’s meant? Do we have to nit pick every fking thing?

I’m sure my grandkids could figure that one out.
So am I only allowed out alone or to be in a group of no more than 2, let's say 2, observing correct social distancing?

2 is more than 1, you see. How might be in a group of 2 alone?

If you are suggesting that I could inadvertently but legitimately form a group of 2, for example by exchanging pleasantries, does that fall under the scope of the earlier paragraph forbidding meeting friends meaning that I could only group with strangers?

Because the level of your acquaintance has no impact on the contagion risk from 2 metres.

If it's all so very obvious why didn't the government make it so?


anonymous-user

78 months

Thursday 9th April 2020
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Restrictions on gatherings

7. During the emergency period, no person may participate in a gathering in a public place of more than two people except—

(a) where all the persons in the gathering are members of the same household,
(b) where the gathering is essential for work purposes,
(c) to attend a funeral,
(d) where reasonably necessary—
(i) to facilitate a house move,
(ii) to provide care or assistance to a vulnerable person, including relevant personal care within the meaning of paragraph 7(3B) of Schedule 4 to the Safeguarding of Vulnerable Groups Act 2006,
(iii) to provide emergency assistance, or
(iv) to participate in legal proceedings or fulfil a legal obligation.

R Mutt

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5,896 posts

96 months

Thursday 9th April 2020
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La Liga said:
Restrictions on gatherings

7. During the emergency period, no person may participate in a gathering in a public place of more than two people except—

(a) where all the persons in the gathering are members of the same household,
(b) where the gathering is essential for work purposes,
(c) to attend a funeral,
(d) where reasonably necessary—
(i) to facilitate a house move,
(ii) to provide care or assistance to a vulnerable person, including relevant personal care within the meaning of paragraph 7(3B) of Schedule 4 to the Safeguarding of Vulnerable Groups Act 2006,
(iii) to provide emergency assistance, or
(iv) to participate in legal proceedings or fulfil a legal obligation.
But gatherings of 2 people are not permitted as you are only allowed out alone or with members of your household.

Can anyone explain the contradiction other than through the assumption that the rules are making an allowance for forming an accidental group of 2 by smiling at a passer-by, thanking the postman or waving at a child?

Because it states you can't meet friends. Perhaps this is to discourage socialising within the parameters of social distancing, but again I'm as likely to be infected by a stranger

Edited by R Mutt on Thursday 9th April 23:41

anonymous-user

78 months

Thursday 9th April 2020
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The legislation states nothing about friends.


TeamD

5,060 posts

256 months

Thursday 9th April 2020
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R Mutt said:
But gatherings of 2 people are not permitted as you are only allowed out alone or with members of your household.

Can explain the contradiction other than through the assumption that the rules are making an allowance for forming an accidental group of 2 by smiling at a passer-by, thanking the postman or waving at a child?

Because it states you can't meet friends. Perhaps this is to discourage socialism within the parameters of social distancing, but again I'm as likely to be infected by a stranger
You can't be that desperate to go dogging surely?

R Mutt

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5,896 posts

96 months

Thursday 9th April 2020
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La Liga said:
The legislation states nothing about friends.
7. Can I see my friends?
We must all stay away from each other to stop spreading the virus, and that means you should not be meeting friends unless you live in the same household.

anonymous-user

78 months

Thursday 9th April 2020
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R Mutt said:
La Liga said:
The legislation states nothing about friends.
7. Can I see my friends?
We must all stay away from each other to stop spreading the virus, and that means you should not be meeting friends unless you live in the same household.
That's not the legislation (the law), that's guidance and advice. The legislation is as above.

The legislation also states nothing about 'only being allowed out alone or with members of your household'.






DoubleD

22,154 posts

132 months

Thursday 9th April 2020
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What is it that you are wanting to do OP?

R Mutt

Original Poster:

5,896 posts

96 months

Thursday 9th April 2020
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La Liga said:
R Mutt said:
La Liga said:
The legislation states nothing about friends.
7. Can I see my friends?
We must all stay away from each other to stop spreading the virus, and that means you should not be meeting friends unless you live in the same household.
That's not the legislation (the law), that's guidance and advice. The legislation is as above.

The legislation also states nothing about 'only being allowed out alone or with members of your household'.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronav.

13. Can I go to the park?
You can still go to the park for outdoor exercise once a day but only alone or with members of your household, not in groups.

R Mutt

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5,896 posts

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Thursday 9th April 2020
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DoubleD said:
What is it that you are wanting to do OP?
Find out the rules. That's not too much to ask is it?