Should we have locked U.K. borders, with quarantine only en

[Shelsleyf2]

The economic cost of where we are now is incalculable. In early February should we have shut the doors to all human immigration unless a three week self funded isolation was undertaken. Could we legally have done this? We still had Chinese students and citizens returning from their new year celebrations and entering UK. unchecked. I am unaware of any quarantine rules being applied even now. We imported this virus via its human carriers and it seems we are still allowing its import. It just seems crazy.

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[Dont Panic]

I dont think the human cost was worth the price of not locking the borders as soon as the virus was being seen to spread so easily.
The rest of the country in lockdown for months may probably have been unnecessary had it been enacted more rapidly.

[Troubleatmill]

We import an awful lot of food.

Do we let the truck drivers in?


After all of this is over - the electorate will expect things to be different next time around ( and odds are it will just be within 5-10 years )

[Penelope Stopit]

Yes, much more should have been done much sooner

I have no time for politicians, anyone thinking my opinion is motivated by political party preferences etc can think again

Viewing a death count each day is a heart-breaker

Keep well

[pequod]

It's interesting with the current calm weather and a perfect time (and tide) to 'sail' across the English Channel, that we haven't heard of any illegal immigrants arriving on the beaches.

Have they all arrived safely, or are there still drownings whilst attempting the crossing?

Maybe the camps in France (etc) have been dispersed or the 'gentlemen of the press' have more pressing topics?

Curious?

[Shelsleyf2]

Troubleatmill said:

We import an awful lot of food.

Do we let the truck drivers in?


After all of this is over - the electorate will expect things to be different next time around ( and odds are it will just be within 5-10 years )

Food can be loaded on trailers and trailers loaded on ferries. .Neither thebdriver or his tractor unit need to come with the goods.

[dmahon]

I wonder if this has a role to play going forward. We've had a lock down, so with track and trace and closing borders I wonder if it could feasibly get on top of it at least for 6-12 months and try to keep it out. Obviously hard to snuff it out in a population of 60 million, but easier than in a world of billions.

[A Winner Is You]

pequod said:

It's interesting with the current calm weather and a perfect time (and tide) to 'sail' across the English Channel, that we haven't heard of any illegal immigrants arriving on the beaches.

Have they all arrived safely, or are there still drownings whilst attempting the crossing?

Maybe the camps in France (etc) have been dispersed or the 'gentlemen of the press' have more pressing topics?

Curious?

They're still coming

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-52218...

[glazbagun]

I think it shows that we have no instant pandemic plan for such matters- our testing was never at airports, even when we were trying to track it.

As soon as it became pandemic, it's a different game IMO. Taiwan, Hong Kong and Korea did a great job of halting the epidemic, but now they're beseiged on all sides by it, regardless of their good work.

I think in future we'll be much more proactive in applying quarantines and flight cancellations from novel illnesses.

[Troubleatmill]

Shelsleyf2 said:

Troubleatmill said:

We import an awful lot of food.

Do we let the truck drivers in?


After all of this is over - the electorate will expect things to be different next time around ( and odds are it will just be within 5-10 years )

Food can be loaded on trailers and trailers loaded on ferries. .Neither thebdriver or his tractor unit need to come with the goods.

But someone has to touch the door seal, the door handle, the pallets, crates, boxes, individual SKU's etc etc

Now - yes - rubber gloves etc.
But if they touch their face..

And then when food is on the supermarket shelves - the number of people that pick something up - and put it back...

Or hand over cash
Or use chip and pin
Or use touch screen
Or handle trolleys
Or paperwork
etc etc

Heck - bacteria wiped out the Martian invaders not that long ago.

[Shelsleyf2]

It seems Taiwan locked down quickly and traced all contacts of diagnosed cases. They have shown what coukd have been done.

[Penelope Stopit]

Troubleatmill said:

Shelsleyf2 said:

Troubleatmill said:

We import an awful lot of food.

Do we let the truck drivers in?


After all of this is over - the electorate will expect things to be different next time around ( and odds are it will just be within 5-10 years )

Food can be loaded on trailers and trailers loaded on ferries. .Neither thebdriver or his tractor unit need to come with the goods.

But someone has to touch the door seal, the door handle, the pallets, crates, boxes, individual SKU's etc etc

Now - yes - rubber gloves etc.
But if they touch their face..

And then when food is on the supermarket shelves - the number of people that pick something up - and put it back...

Or hand over cash
Or use chip and pin
Or use touch screen
Or handle trolleys
Or paperwork
etc etc

Heck - bacteria wiped out the Martian invaders not that long ago.

But that is nothing like thousands of people spreading the virus

Surely everyone that goes shopping is locking their food away for several days if possible or washing cartons and packets

[Troubleatmill]

Penelope Stopit said:

Troubleatmill said:

Shelsleyf2 said:

Troubleatmill said:

We import an awful lot of food.

Do we let the truck drivers in?


After all of this is over - the electorate will expect things to be different next time around ( and odds are it will just be within 5-10 years )

Food can be loaded on trailers and trailers loaded on ferries. .Neither thebdriver or his tractor unit need to come with the goods.

But someone has to touch the door seal, the door handle, the pallets, crates, boxes, individual SKU's etc etc

Now - yes - rubber gloves etc.
But if they touch their face..

And then when food is on the supermarket shelves - the number of people that pick something up - and put it back...

Or hand over cash
Or use chip and pin
Or use touch screen
Or handle trolleys
Or paperwork
etc etc

Heck - bacteria wiped out the Martian invaders not that long ago.

But that is nothing like thousands of people spreading the virus

Surely everyone that goes shopping is locking their food away for several days if possible or washing cartons and packets

And their steering wheels, door handles ( internal and external), indicators, gear knobs, seatbelts, wallets, credit cards, all letters and parcels, door handles for the house, light switches, TV remotes, if you live in a block of flats - the buttons to summon the lift, the floor buttons, house keys, your kitchen hob, over door, fridge door....

In short - every single surface imaginable.


There isn't enough dettol in the world to beat this,

[Penelope Stopit]

Gloves solve much of the problems you've listed

Anyway we differ and it's not going to solve anything

Keep well

[g4ry13]

Should have been closed in January and only let people out of the country.

[glazbagun]

Next time China arrests a doctor for telling the truth the world should quarantine China, just to be safe.

[Tryke3]

glazbagun said:

Next time China arrests a doctor for telling the truth the world should quarantine China, just to be safe.

They probably do this everyday

[glazbagun]

Tryke3 said:

glazbagun said:

Next time China arrests a doctor for telling the truth the world should quarantine China, just to be safe.

They probably do this everyday

My point still stands.