9 years for 80+ through a red light, drunk, killing two.

[un1corn]

https://news.sky.com/story/drink-driver-who-killed...

Be out in 4 years then?

[anonymous-user]

Four and a half years, unless he has already served time on remand, which will be knocked off time in custody post sentence. Then four and a half years on licence, subject to recall if he re offends.

[Big-Bo-Beep]

Shocking sentencing, I don't really know how bad an incident you need to cause to get a Life Ban these days.

[Jasandjules]

I can't say what punishment I would prefer but an eye for an eye springs to mind for such scum.

[Saweep]

I've never been to prison. Although I feel like I'm in one of those open ones at the moment and it's only been 6 weeks.

When I stop and think about it, 4.5 years of this feeling seems like a very, very long time.

[anonymous-user]

Jasandjules said:

I can't say what punishment I would prefer but an eye for an eye springs to mind for such scum.

You've said what punishment you'd prefer: you'd like the offender to receive a death sentence.

[anonymous-user]

Saweep said:

I've never been to prison. Although I feel like I'm in one of those open ones at the moment and it's only been 6 weeks.

When I stop and think about it, 4.5 years of this feeling seems like a very, very long time.

I have been to prison, but only for work reasons, and not to stay. I reckon that most of us would do our nut after a week or two there, let alone a year or more.

[NRS]

Breadvan72 said:

I have been to prison, but only for work reasons, and not to stay. I reckon that most of us would do our nut after a week or two there, let alone a year or more.

Compared to the families, who will have this the rest of their life?

[anonymous-user]

There is perhaps an argument for saying that anyone who takes a life should be deprived of liberty for the rest of their life, but it would be hard to fit such a rule justly to all circumstances, which can range from a deliberate and sadistic killing, through this sort of case of massive selfish irresponsibility, through to the one punch manslaughter or moment of carelessness sort of case. That's before you start talking about what resources society is willing to devote to incarceration.

[vaud]

Big-Bo-Beep said:

Shocking sentencing, I don't really know how bad an incident you need to cause to get a Life Ban these days.

Life bans can be counter productive.

Once the person has served their sentence, they need to contribute to society.

Having a job is a good way to do this rather than be on benefits and be a burden to the public purse - having access to a vehicle is part of this.

[A Winner Is You]

Breadvan72 said:

Saweep said:

I've never been to prison. Although I feel like I'm in one of those open ones at the moment and it's only been 6 weeks.

When I stop and think about it, 4.5 years of this feeling seems like a very, very long time.

I have been to prison, but only for work reasons, and not to stay. I reckon that most of us would do our nut after a week or two there, let alone a year or more.

Although a part of that is most of us have morals, and something to lose by ending up in there. For some it's just an occupational hazard.

[Eyersey1234]

Am I right in thinking his sentence will never become spent so he will have to declare it for the rest of his life?

[rigga]

anonymous said:

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Why is it that the ban from driving starts from release?

[Mr Tidy]

rigga said:

Why is it that the ban from driving starts from release?

Well it's hardly a ban while he is incarcerated is it?

[Sa Calobra]

vaud said:

Life bans can be counter productive.

Once the person has served their sentence, they need to contribute to society.

Having a job is a good way to do this rather than be on benefits and be a burden to the public purse - having access to a vehicle is part of this.

I disagree. Mrs Calobra has never driven a car. Didn't stop her from working all her live in many cities.

[Agammemnon]

Sa Calobra said:

I disagree. Mrs Calobra has never driven a car. Didn't stop her from working all her live in many cities.

It would certainly prevent her from working many jobs outside of the cities, though.

[vaud]

Sa Calobra said:

I disagree. Mrs Calobra has never driven a car. Didn't stop her from working all her live in many cities.

That's fine if you live in a city. Many people don't.

I'm fine for lengthy prison sentences. And even life bans for repeated serious offences.

But we have a system, much to NP&E's chagrin, of rehabilitation rather than lifelong punishment and hard labour.

[anonymous-user]

Lifetime bans from driving for cases of this severity seem to me appropriate.

[Sa Calobra]

Sorry many people cycle to work, trains and buses etc etc in towns as well. Why is a car essential?

[vaud]

Sa Calobra said:

Sorry many people cycle to work, trains and buses etc etc in towns as well. Why is a car essential?

Lots of people live in you know, the countryside or rural areas with low employment options and appalling public transport.