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I'm quite amazed that this topic hasn't been raised already, given it's prominence on the mainstream media all day.
Has anyone on here been involved in a street party as permitted by the Govt or raised a glass at 3pm to all the heroes of WW2 who made it possible for this place to exist?
Too far back in history to involve anyone currently posting on PH and with the current pandemic worries, not a time to 'celebrate', maybe?
What's your view?
Has anyone on here been involved in a street party as permitted by the Govt or raised a glass at 3pm to all the heroes of WW2 who made it possible for this place to exist?
Too far back in history to involve anyone currently posting on PH and with the current pandemic worries, not a time to 'celebrate', maybe?
What's your view?
I'm rather ambivalent about WW2 anniversaries. My family had a quiet "tea party" (i.e. cup of tea and cake) as a nod to the occasion, but that's about it. Didn't watch any of the TV programmes.
I guess I'm sick of certain politicians attempting to invoke Blitz Spirit as a smokescreen to cover bumbling incompetence.
I guess I'm sick of certain politicians attempting to invoke Blitz Spirit as a smokescreen to cover bumbling incompetence.
Eric Mc said:
FredericRobinson said:
Ructions said:
Anyone who loves freedom owes such a debt to the Red Army that it can never be repaid.
Not so much anyone who lived in Eastern EuropeInfoRetrieval said:
I'm rather ambivalent about WW2 anniversaries. My family had a quiet "tea party" (i.e. cup of tea and cake) as a nod to the occasion, but that's about it. Didn't watch any of the TV programmes.
I guess I'm sick of certain politicians attempting to invoke Blitz Spirit as a smokescreen to cover bumbling incompetence.
I guess I'm sick of certain politicians attempting to invoke Blitz Spirit as a smokescreen to cover bumbling incompetence.
It's a really important anniversary, probably the last big one we'll have veterans from (which feels unbelievable to me) and countless books have and still can be written about it's importance and the lessons to be learned. But the baby-kissing of anything half-decent in the UK is all getting a bit much.
Gromm said:
We could've been a part of Hitlers victory if Churchill went ahead and negotiated a peace deal with Nazis in 1940.
But the UK didn't, Russia did and went much further than a peace deal, they invaded Poland at the same time as Germany, only opposing Hitler when he double crossed and attacked them - not sure of your point. Graveworm said:
But the UK didn't, Russia did and went much further than a peace deal, they invaded Poland at the same time as Germany, only opposing Hitler when he double crossed and attacked them - not sure of your point.
Hitler went to war specifically to attack into the east as soon as practicable. Stalin knew an attack would come at some point. The 1939 Pact was entered into by both sides in order to buy time - and Russia saw it as an opportunity to grab territory to its west to create a buffer zone against the expected future German attack. Edited by Eric Mc on Sunday 10th May 12:14
Eric Mc said:
Graveworm said:
But the UK didn't, Russia did and went much further than a peace deal, they invaded Poland at the same time as Germany, only opposing Hitler when he double crossed and attacked them - not sure of your point.
Hitler went to war specifically to attack into the east as soon as practicable. Stalin new an attack would come at some point. The 1939 Pact was entered into by both sides in order to buy time - and Russia saw it as an opportunity to grab territory to its west top create a buffer zone against the expected future German attack. In 1939 Poland contained over five million Ukrainians and Belarusians. Virtually all of whom were concentrated in its eastern provinces.
JagLover said:
Well that and most of the territory taken from Poland by the USSR was populated mainly by Belarusians and Ukrainians and had been seized by Poland in the 1920/1921 war.
In 1939 Poland contained over five million Ukrainians and Belarusians. Virtually all of whom were concentrated in its eastern provinces.
Ignoring the Poland Lithuanian commonwealth. In 1939 Poland contained over five million Ukrainians and Belarusians. Virtually all of whom were concentrated in its eastern provinces.
Anyhoo, no celebrations around here in central london.
Whole thing just went past unremarked really.
vonuber said:
JagLover said:
Well that and most of the territory taken from Poland by the USSR was populated mainly by Belarusians and Ukrainians and had been seized by Poland in the 1920/1921 war.
In 1939 Poland contained over five million Ukrainians and Belarusians. Virtually all of whom were concentrated in its eastern provinces.
Ignoring the Poland Lithuanian commonwealth. In 1939 Poland contained over five million Ukrainians and Belarusians. Virtually all of whom were concentrated in its eastern provinces.
It is a bit difficult to argue for self-determination on the one hand and then to seize the lands of other peoples on the other. The Poles kicked a Bear when it was down on the ground in 1920/21 and then found themselves caught between Hitler's third Reich and a USSR growing rapidly in strength and power and looking for revenge.
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