Is the covid worm turning?
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Seems to me that it is.
Four weeks ago pretty much any post admitting not following 'the rules' really fired up the strident pitchfork brigade. You would be accused of undermining the NHS and killing old people and worthy of reporting to the authorities. I remember some nasty old bat posting about her neighbours occupying their holiday home and there must have been at least 50 replies pretty much limited to "Report them!!!"
In the last couple of days I've seen a definite swing. Yesterday we had a postman commenting on how many people were out and about but now the responses were more even, with far more people posting the "what's it to do with you?" and "people are allowed to go out" type responses.
Karens are still in the majority but I'd guess at only 60:40 in favour of the restrictions. Tipping point in a fortnight or sooner? Will the Karens convert or go down swinging?
Four weeks ago pretty much any post admitting not following 'the rules' really fired up the strident pitchfork brigade. You would be accused of undermining the NHS and killing old people and worthy of reporting to the authorities. I remember some nasty old bat posting about her neighbours occupying their holiday home and there must have been at least 50 replies pretty much limited to "Report them!!!"
In the last couple of days I've seen a definite swing. Yesterday we had a postman commenting on how many people were out and about but now the responses were more even, with far more people posting the "what's it to do with you?" and "people are allowed to go out" type responses.
Karens are still in the majority but I'd guess at only 60:40 in favour of the restrictions. Tipping point in a fortnight or sooner? Will the Karens convert or go down swinging?
People are slowly waking up to the reality that furlough isn't a holiday paid for by the government. It is actually "pre redundancy" and the longer it lasts the greater the chance it will be proper redundancy. It will also have to be paid for, ultimately by them somehow, even if they do have a job to go back to.
Minds will change when this reality seeps into their heads.
Minds will change when this reality seeps into their heads.
It looks like furlough until October,spend it over the summer and pretend nothing is wrong.Come the end of furlough payments,no job,the arrival of Winter and the normal flu season(plus covid) and the next few years of abject misery.
There will be 2 camps,the haves and the have nots and not many in the middle.
There will be 2 camps,the haves and the have nots and not many in the middle.
Theres been absolutely loads out in my area.
Social distancing seems to be a distant memory for some of them, although the occasional one pulls up a knitted jumper around their chins in the hope of not contracting the nasty.
Appears to be lots more cars on the road also, cyclists were all over the shop yesterday like the tour de frog in places.
Social distancing seems to be a distant memory for some of them, although the occasional one pulls up a knitted jumper around their chins in the hope of not contracting the nasty.
Appears to be lots more cars on the road also, cyclists were all over the shop yesterday like the tour de frog in places.
Week by week it slips and will continue to do so
I’ve gradually seen more and more people out and about, people moving about more
People can see that it isn’t as bad as some would make out
98% fully recover .. 91% of deaths are in the over 60’s with 55% over 80
People are saying..
“it’s here, it’s not going anywhere, it’s not as bad as they said, we have to live with it and get on with our lives”
The lockdown will breakdown if not taken down
I’ve gradually seen more and more people out and about, people moving about more
People can see that it isn’t as bad as some would make out
98% fully recover .. 91% of deaths are in the over 60’s with 55% over 80
People are saying..
“it’s here, it’s not going anywhere, it’s not as bad as they said, we have to live with it and get on with our lives”
The lockdown will breakdown if not taken down
Oh I don't know. Plenty of school mums round here whinging non-stop on FB that it's not 100% safe to send their precious little ones back to school. Teachers also whining that it's not ZERO risk for them to return to work without a full hazmat suits.
Yet all seem perfectly happy that there are OTHERS who do go to work to deliver their shopping, to run their hospitals, to maintain their streets, to empty their bins, and who still will come round to their house during their plumbing emergency.
Hypocrites?
Yet all seem perfectly happy that there are OTHERS who do go to work to deliver their shopping, to run their hospitals, to maintain their streets, to empty their bins, and who still will come round to their house during their plumbing emergency.
Hypocrites?
Andy20vt said:
Oh I don't know. Plenty of school mums round here whinging non-stop on FB that it's not 100% safe to send their precious little ones back to school. Teachers also whining that it's not ZERO risk for them to return to work without a full hazmat suits.
Yet all seem perfectly happy that there are OTHERS who do go to work to deliver their shopping, to run their hospitals, to maintain their streets, to empty their bins, and who still will come round to their house during their plumbing emergency.
Hypocrites?
I do not believe they are happy, but people have to eat and online delivery has been the only real option.Yet all seem perfectly happy that there are OTHERS who do go to work to deliver their shopping, to run their hospitals, to maintain their streets, to empty their bins, and who still will come round to their house during their plumbing emergency.
Hypocrites?
Each industry / employer has a duty to protect their workforce and each employee, including doctors, nurses, delivery drivers etc, have the right to object if they are being put at even minor risk
menousername said:
Andy20vt said:
Oh I don't know. Plenty of school mums round here whinging non-stop on FB that it's not 100% safe to send their precious little ones back to school. Teachers also whining that it's not ZERO risk for them to return to work without a full hazmat suits.
Yet all seem perfectly happy that there are OTHERS who do go to work to deliver their shopping, to run their hospitals, to maintain their streets, to empty their bins, and who still will come round to their house during their plumbing emergency.
Hypocrites?
I do not believe they are happy, but people have to eat and online delivery has been the only real option.Yet all seem perfectly happy that there are OTHERS who do go to work to deliver their shopping, to run their hospitals, to maintain their streets, to empty their bins, and who still will come round to their house during their plumbing emergency.
Hypocrites?
Each industry / employer has a duty to protect their workforce and each employee, including doctors, nurses, delivery drivers etc, have the right to object if they are being put at even minor risk
Best they don’t try crossing the road then !
menousername said:
Andy20vt said:
Oh I don't know. Plenty of school mums round here whinging non-stop on FB that it's not 100% safe to send their precious little ones back to school. Teachers also whining that it's not ZERO risk for them to return to work without a full hazmat suits.
Yet all seem perfectly happy that there are OTHERS who do go to work to deliver their shopping, to run their hospitals, to maintain their streets, to empty their bins, and who still will come round to their house during their plumbing emergency.
Hypocrites?
I do not believe they are happy, but people have to eat and online delivery has been the only real option.Yet all seem perfectly happy that there are OTHERS who do go to work to deliver their shopping, to run their hospitals, to maintain their streets, to empty their bins, and who still will come round to their house during their plumbing emergency.
Hypocrites?
Each industry / employer has a duty to protect their workforce and each employee, including doctors, nurses, delivery drivers etc, have the right to object if they are being put at even minor risk
The key is things have had to change like we no longer share vans , we no longer hand the pda over to numerous random people to sign , we now have the option of staggered start times etc.
I think the only way forward is for companies/schools to look at solutions and if that leads to them only being able to take in half the school then you have am/pm classes .
menousername said:
Andy20vt said:
Oh I don't know. Plenty of school mums round here whinging non-stop on FB that it's not 100% safe to send their precious little ones back to school. Teachers also whining that it's not ZERO risk for them to return to work without a full hazmat suits.
Yet all seem perfectly happy that there are OTHERS who do go to work to deliver their shopping, to run their hospitals, to maintain their streets, to empty their bins, and who still will come round to their house during their plumbing emergency.
Hypocrites?
I do not believe they are happy, but people have to eat and online delivery has been the only real option.Yet all seem perfectly happy that there are OTHERS who do go to work to deliver their shopping, to run their hospitals, to maintain their streets, to empty their bins, and who still will come round to their house during their plumbing emergency.
Hypocrites?
Each industry / employer has a duty to protect their workforce and each employee, including doctors, nurses, delivery drivers etc, have the right to object if they are being put at even minor risk
We all like to think we are important, that our kids are important, but we need to remember that we will all be dead at some point of something - damn that risk! When that happens the world will keep on turning, and perhaps might be conceivably better off without a great deal of us.
Earthdweller said:
Week by week it slips and will continue to do so
I’ve gradually seen more and more people out and about, people moving about more
People can see that it isn’t as bad as some would make out
98% fully recover .. 91% of deaths are in the over 60’s with 55% over 80
People are saying..
“it’s here, it’s not going anywhere, it’s not as bad as they said, we have to live with it and get on with our lives”
The lockdown will breakdown if not taken down
I think the last bit us true. As a World, we will get used to it, just like we do with the flu each year...I’ve gradually seen more and more people out and about, people moving about more
People can see that it isn’t as bad as some would make out
98% fully recover .. 91% of deaths are in the over 60’s with 55% over 80
People are saying..
“it’s here, it’s not going anywhere, it’s not as bad as they said, we have to live with it and get on with our lives”
The lockdown will breakdown if not taken down
People still push / forget social distancing. Had another one in Sainsburys yesterday. I'm putting my stuff onto the conveyor, Woman walks straight up to the belt and starts loading her stuff on. I'd not even finished emptying my trolley!! Looked all confused and hurt when I told her to p
s off! According to the girl on the till, it happens a lot!!
The number of people 'squeezing past' in the isles convinced me that wearing a mask in shops and supermarkets is now the only way to try and protect yourself!
Maybe our attention span is too short nowadays!!
s off! According to the girl on the till, it happens a lot!! The number of people 'squeezing past' in the isles convinced me that wearing a mask in shops and supermarkets is now the only way to try and protect yourself!
Maybe our attention span is too short nowadays!!
I will stick my neck out here and say that all schools could go back at the start of June and there would be no appreciable difference in the declining virus numbers.
If that happened, then Joe Public would just ignore any remaining restrictions. In fact I see that happening even now.
The problem as I see it is jobsworths. For instance, three car parks in Dartmoor closed by rangers over the weekend because they were too full to observe social distancing. Two problems here, first the rangers have no right to enforce guidelines and secondly not everyone turned up and left at the same time. The population need to be given credit for their own welfare. This is running the risk of nobody being able to do anything unless the Govt say so. I saw a friend of mine had taken a picture of his neighbours having a family bbq this weekend, out of his spare bedroom window. Didn't take kindly to being called a curtain twitcher.
If that happened, then Joe Public would just ignore any remaining restrictions. In fact I see that happening even now.
The problem as I see it is jobsworths. For instance, three car parks in Dartmoor closed by rangers over the weekend because they were too full to observe social distancing. Two problems here, first the rangers have no right to enforce guidelines and secondly not everyone turned up and left at the same time. The population need to be given credit for their own welfare. This is running the risk of nobody being able to do anything unless the Govt say so. I saw a friend of mine had taken a picture of his neighbours having a family bbq this weekend, out of his spare bedroom window. Didn't take kindly to being called a curtain twitcher.
Tyre Smoke said:
I will stick my neck out here and say that all schools could go back at the start of June and there would be no appreciable difference in the declining virus numbers.
If that happened, then Joe Public would just ignore any remaining restrictions. In fact I see that happening even now.
I happen to think that this is about spot on. And it's worth adding that until the schools go back then large-scale working won't be possible as people will need to stay at home to look after their kids. If that happened, then Joe Public would just ignore any remaining restrictions. In fact I see that happening even now.
Send schools back and drastically curtail the furlough scheme and I think we'd be back to normal pretty quickly.
Tyre Smoke said:
I will stick my neck out here and say that all schools could go back at the start of June and there would be no appreciable difference in the declining virus numbers.
If that happened, then Joe Public would just ignore any remaining restrictions. In fact I see that happening even now.
The problem as I see it is jobsworths. For instance, three car parks in Dartmoor closed by rangers over the weekend because they were too full to observe social distancing. Two problems here, first the rangers have no right to enforce guidelines and secondly not everyone turned up and left at the same time. The population need to be given credit for their own welfare. This is running the risk of nobody being able to do anything unless the Govt say so. I saw a friend of mine had taken a picture of his neighbours having a family bbq this weekend, out of his spare bedroom window. Didn't take kindly to being called a curtain twitcher.
+1, some people are pathetic. The jobsworths and curtain twitchers among us must be relishing their sad little moment of power.If that happened, then Joe Public would just ignore any remaining restrictions. In fact I see that happening even now.
The problem as I see it is jobsworths. For instance, three car parks in Dartmoor closed by rangers over the weekend because they were too full to observe social distancing. Two problems here, first the rangers have no right to enforce guidelines and secondly not everyone turned up and left at the same time. The population need to be given credit for their own welfare. This is running the risk of nobody being able to do anything unless the Govt say so. I saw a friend of mine had taken a picture of his neighbours having a family bbq this weekend, out of his spare bedroom window. Didn't take kindly to being called a curtain twitcher.
The virus is nowhere near as bad as it was predicted to be. 500,000 deaths - utter b
ks! So are we going to continue to hide in our homes and live like hermits forever, waited on by those who can't afford not to go to work, with the huge economic, mental health and other damage that causes? This virus will be with us for a long time and a vaccine may never ever arrive. Or do we quickly get back to normal, stop being scared and start living again and if we get the virus and die then so what! Something is going to kill all of us at some point.
Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 18th May 09:00
menousername said:
Ah ok so everyones kids should remember they are going to die and it would be preferable if some of them die now....
Apart from a small handful of well publicised cases, most with underlying health conditions, statistical outliers, kids are almost at zero risk from this virus.Since you have tried to use that ridiculous assumption, to twist your argument around, knowing someone who works for social services she says that at present the levels of domestic abuse, sexual abuse, malnutrition, neglect and self harm/suicide involving children is at an all time high during this crisis. This is because kids are at home 24/7 rather than school.
I am assuming therefore you are happy with this situation?
Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 18th May 08:59
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