Cool Britainia
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Was this a brief mid 90s window of Emin, Hirst and Blur which fulfilled a political ideal or are Turner and Vaughan Williams due equal respect as cultural treasures? The current narrative is that the latter along with Kipling are imperial relics while our European counterparts of the same era are considered the most significant artist of the whole millennium. The same sort of disparity between an M3 owner being a d
head, with a fondness for Jaguars rendering you a patriotic dhead which of course is considered a greater offence.
head, with a fondness for Jaguars rendering you a patriotic dhead which of course is considered a greater offence.Edited by R Mutt on Sunday 31st May 02:11
R Mutt said:
Was this a brief mid 90s window of Emin, Hirst and Blur which fulfilled a political ideal or are Turner and Vaughan Williams due equal respect as cultural treasures? The current narrative is that the latter along with Kipling are imperial relics while our European counterparts of the same era are considered the most significant artist of the whole millennium. The same sort of disparity between an M3 owner being a dhead, with a fondness for Jaguars rendering you a patriotic dhead which of course is considered a greater offence.
I think it's good to look forwards, rather than back. Perhaps that's fallen out of fashion is some respects though. head, with a fondness for Jaguars rendering you a patriotic dhead which of course is considered a greater offence.Edited by R Mutt on Sunday 31st May 02:11
Erm, interesting topic. Not entirely sure how to respond.
The ‘Cool Britannia‘ era. Don’t mind it. I suppose it was a half decent promotion of ‘Brand Britain’ around the world.
Its just a bit disappointing that Tony Blair was part of it though. Still to this day, I would like to see him fed slowly into an industrial shedder.
As I mentioned in another thread, my favourite era was probably 2010-2016. For me, it was ‘peak Britain’.
Cameron and Clegg in charge as a cheerful centrist duo, the economy going great, everyone seemed happy, business was booming again, only a small handful of nutters moaning about the EU, the London Olympics was a huge success, and so on.
All came crashing down after the 2016 referendum and we’ve seemingly been in the gutter ever since.
The last 4 years or so have been our wilderness years.
(Caveat: one person on the other thread pointed out to me that 2010-2016 were awful years if you were a ‘poor, northern, working class, Labour voter’. So I understand your opinion of this era may vary)
The ‘Cool Britannia‘ era. Don’t mind it. I suppose it was a half decent promotion of ‘Brand Britain’ around the world.
Its just a bit disappointing that Tony Blair was part of it though. Still to this day, I would like to see him fed slowly into an industrial shedder.
As I mentioned in another thread, my favourite era was probably 2010-2016. For me, it was ‘peak Britain’.
Cameron and Clegg in charge as a cheerful centrist duo, the economy going great, everyone seemed happy, business was booming again, only a small handful of nutters moaning about the EU, the London Olympics was a huge success, and so on.
All came crashing down after the 2016 referendum and we’ve seemingly been in the gutter ever since.
The last 4 years or so have been our wilderness years.
(Caveat: one person on the other thread pointed out to me that 2010-2016 were awful years if you were a ‘poor, northern, working class, Labour voter’. So I understand your opinion of this era may vary)
contango said:
R Mutt said:
Was this a brief mid 90s window of Emin, Hirst and Blur which fulfilled a political ideal or are Turner and Vaughan Williams due equal respect as cultural treasures? The current narrative is that the latter along with Kipling are imperial relics while our European counterparts of the same era are considered the most significant artist of the whole millennium. The same sort of disparity between an M3 owner being a dhead, with a fondness for Jaguars rendering you a patriotic dhead which of course is considered a greater offence.
.......Parklifehead, with a fondness for Jaguars rendering you a patriotic dhead which of course is considered a greater offence.
That's what came to mind when I attempted to read it.
Lord Marylebone said:
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The last 4 years or so have been our wilderness years....
They could just as easily prove the making of us in so many ways.The last 4 years or so have been our wilderness years....
Let's come back in 25yrs and see.
(The music scene's not exactly effervescent right now though. No matter how much I think Ed Sheeran's talented).
Murph7355 said:
Lord Marylebone said:
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The last 4 years or so have been our wilderness years....
They could just as easily prove the making of us in so many ways.The last 4 years or so have been our wilderness years....
Let's come back in 25yrs and see.
Something which nobody seems able to explain other than vaque whisfull thinking.
When the UK entered the EU it's GDP was 20% less than that of France. In 2016 it was roughly the same.
DeltonaS said:
Murph7355 said:
Lord Marylebone said:
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The last 4 years or so have been our wilderness years....
They could just as easily prove the making of us in so many ways.The last 4 years or so have been our wilderness years....
Let's come back in 25yrs and see.
Something which nobody seems able to explain other than vaque whisfull thinking.
When the UK entered the EU it's GDP was 20% less than that of France. In 2016 it was roughly the same.
s2art said:
DeltonaS said:
Murph7355 said:
Lord Marylebone said:
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The last 4 years or so have been our wilderness years....
They could just as easily prove the making of us in so many ways.The last 4 years or so have been our wilderness years....
Let's come back in 25yrs and see.
Something which nobody seems able to explain other than vaque whisfull thinking.
When the UK entered the EU it's GDP was 20% less than that of France. In 2016 it was roughly the same.
I don't think the services industry in Toryville post Brexit will be able to make up for the loss in business from the EU.
And then theirs the car industry, which is confronted with a number of challenges in the comming decade.
fido said:
s2art said:
Labour problems and Labour governments did a lot of damage back then. The improvement came with the Thatcher revolution.
Well we no longer need Labour to perform that function any more!I first thought we would be best off out when I was asked by my employer as a young analyst to write a report and economic forecast ahead of the 1975 referendum on continued membership of the EEC. I researched it thoroughly and produced a forecast which showed the asymmetric reduction of tariffs and barriers would heavily favour France, Germany and Italy and penalise us, as there was no proposed removal of barriers in services where we were strong. Continental countries were also good at playing the EEC rules on subsidies and other protection to their benefit. I forecast correctly we would move into a heavy balance of trade and payments deficit and stay there. Our membership ushered in a dreadful period of factory closures and job losses in the 1970s, as the removal of industrial goods tariffs revealed our lack of competitiveness in areas like steel, cars, textiles and machine tools. The EEC/EU was also good at embodying standards and requirements that favoured large established continental producers. I also forecast that the financial settlement would weigh heavily on us, with large and growing net contributions, themselves a further strain on our balance of payments. That again was right, as I did not foresee the Thatcher renegotiation at that point which abated the increase but still left us as heavy net payers.
DeltonaS said:
Based on ?
Something which nobody seems able to explain other than vaque whisfull thinking.
When the UK entered the EU it's GDP was 20% less than that of France. In 2016 it was roughly the same.
Shouldn’t you be on the “EU Negotiations” thread with your UK hate bilge? Something which nobody seems able to explain other than vaque whisfull thinking.
When the UK entered the EU it's GDP was 20% less than that of France. In 2016 it was roughly the same.
Do be a chap and go forth and multiply rather than pollute this one, you’re looking a little desperate for attention.
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