Sunday trading laws
Discussion
I don't really understand the worker's rights angle. You've got the same MP saying it's disruptive to the schedules of the low paid but complaining that it will end up as a permanent measure. I appreciate the impact on smaller businesses but there is always a convenience factor which favours those. I can't see this is any more of a threat that than the Tesco Metro/ Sainsbury's local etc. Plus a lot of the supermarkets stopped 24h opening last year
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Edited by R Mutt on Sunday 7th June 15:51
I have felt for years Sunday trading laws are pointless frankly stores should be open as long as they like. My local bike shop is open 10 till 4 Monday to Friday I use it over Halfords because its close by, I can usually wait a day or so and its a small business I want to support. I shop at big supermarkets because they are open late have range I want etc. So yes let's allow stores to open 24/7 if they want. They won't if there is no demand.
R Mutt said:
I don't really understand the worker's rights angle. You've got the same MP saying it's disruptive to the schedules of the low but complaining that it will end up as a permanent measure. I appreciate the impact on smaller businesses but there is always a convenience factor which favours those. I can't see this is any more of a threat that than the Tesco Metro/ Sainsbury's local etc. Plus a lot of the supermarkets stopped 24h opening last year
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/w...
What happens if you chose an employer because it was Mon-Fri (or Mon-Sat) specifically because you wanted to be certain of having Sunday off?https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/w...
I used to work in retail and honestly it was s
t and I don't miss the weekend and bank holiday working.That said I'm supportive of this as a measure to try and give things a kick-start.
I think the point being made is don't trample on your workers in doing so even if there's an obvious balance between keeping employees happy v not having a business to employ them.
When I used to work in a supermarket during my University days, I used to think Sunday trading laws were pointless.
Most Sunday shifts were shorter hours or odd times...who wants to work 9.30am till 4 on a Sunday?
If im at work, then I want to put a proper shift in.
As a customer, I find it frustrating waiting around for stores to be open at 10am.
Equally trying to use independent shops at various locations on a Sunday can be difficult...the one of two days that most people are freely available to travel and go these places...they shut there doors because its a Sunday. Makes no sense.
Most Sunday shifts were shorter hours or odd times...who wants to work 9.30am till 4 on a Sunday?
If im at work, then I want to put a proper shift in.
As a customer, I find it frustrating waiting around for stores to be open at 10am.
Equally trying to use independent shops at various locations on a Sunday can be difficult...the one of two days that most people are freely available to travel and go these places...they shut there doors because its a Sunday. Makes no sense.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:R Mutt said:
I don't really understand the worker's rights angle. You've got the same MP saying it's disruptive to the schedules of the low but complaining that it will end up as a permanent measure. I appreciate the impact on smaller businesses but there is always a convenience factor which favours those. I can't see this is any more of a threat that than the Tesco Metro/ Sainsbury's local etc. Plus a lot of the supermarkets stopped 24h opening last year
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/w...
What happens if you chose an employer because it was Mon-Fri (or Mon-Sat) specifically because you wanted to be certain of having Sunday off?https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/w...
I used to work in retail and honestly it was s
t and I don't miss the weekend and bank holiday working.That said I'm supportive of this as a measure to try and give things a kick-start.
I think the point being made is don't trample on your workers in doing so even if there's an obvious balance between keeping employees happy v not having a business to employ them.
R Mutt said:
I work in banking and have to work half the UK bank holidays. It's called a rota.
I know what a rota is thank you.My point was simply that it's one thing taking on a job knowing what it entails and another suddenly being told that your one guaranteed day off is now being replaced with a "rota".
Like I said I can see both sides and hopefully responsible employers will go about it in a way that works for both "sides" as both are depending on a good outcome.
When I were young I could work 7 days no problemo.
Now I'm in my forties, if I go to work saturday I end up on Monday feeling like I've not had a proper rest. Mind, as a self emp tradie I work bloody hard and have work related work to do when I'm "not working". And that's with no kids either!
So yeah, free market advocate here for sure but I get the workers angle too, shift working is shown to be bad for you - and, realistically, do the affected supermarkets over 1000sq feet or whatever it is really need more than 6 hours? We generally keep Sunday for rest, maybe wander to the pub etc, its amazing the quantity of people who'll go sit in traffic jam as it is.
Now I'm in my forties, if I go to work saturday I end up on Monday feeling like I've not had a proper rest. Mind, as a self emp tradie I work bloody hard and have work related work to do when I'm "not working". And that's with no kids either!
So yeah, free market advocate here for sure but I get the workers angle too, shift working is shown to be bad for you - and, realistically, do the affected supermarkets over 1000sq feet or whatever it is really need more than 6 hours? We generally keep Sunday for rest, maybe wander to the pub etc, its amazing the quantity of people who'll go sit in traffic jam as it is.
Scotland has no Sunday trading laws, 24hr supermarkets really are 24hrs, 7 days a week.
Its much better for customers, you don't even need to consider when you go. Its always open.
Mind you, plenty of local shops here reduced hours back in March and are yet to go back to longer hours. We are encouraged to socially distance, yet the post office is only open for a few hours on a Saturday now and the que is longer than ever. God knows why the post office needs shorter hours, if anything it should be on longer hours! Same with the supermarket - used to be 24hrs, now is not. Same number of people need food, so everyone has to go in a shorter space of time.
Its much better for customers, you don't even need to consider when you go. Its always open.
Mind you, plenty of local shops here reduced hours back in March and are yet to go back to longer hours. We are encouraged to socially distance, yet the post office is only open for a few hours on a Saturday now and the que is longer than ever. God knows why the post office needs shorter hours, if anything it should be on longer hours! Same with the supermarket - used to be 24hrs, now is not. Same number of people need food, so everyone has to go in a shorter space of time.
Condi said:
Scotland has no Sunday trading laws, 24hr supermarkets really are 24hrs, 7 days a week.
Its much better for customers, you don't even need to consider when you go. Its always open.
Mind you, plenty of local shops here reduced hours back in March and are yet to go back to longer hours. We are encouraged to socially distance, yet the post office is only open for a few hours on a Saturday now and the que is longer than ever. God knows why the post office needs shorter hours, if anything it should be on longer hours! Same with the supermarket - used to be 24hrs, now is not. Same number of people need food, so everyone has to go in a shorter space of time.
Amusingly, it was Scots MPs that stopped the last English move to more liberal Sunday trading. Hypocrites.Its much better for customers, you don't even need to consider when you go. Its always open.
Mind you, plenty of local shops here reduced hours back in March and are yet to go back to longer hours. We are encouraged to socially distance, yet the post office is only open for a few hours on a Saturday now and the que is longer than ever. God knows why the post office needs shorter hours, if anything it should be on longer hours! Same with the supermarket - used to be 24hrs, now is not. Same number of people need food, so everyone has to go in a shorter space of time.
Sunday trading laws were due to be amended until the SNP decided to flex there muscles with dear Mrs May. As it is impossible to have restricted trading hours on the internet, restricting hours on the high street just ties their hands even further.
Needs to be sorted before June 15th.
Needs to be sorted before June 15th.
rustfalia said:
When I used to work in a supermarket during my University days, I used to think Sunday trading laws were pointless.
Most Sunday shifts were shorter hours or odd times...who wants to work 9.30am till 4 on a Sunday?
If im at work, then I want to put a proper shift in.
As a customer, I find it frustrating waiting around for stores to be open at 10am.
Equally trying to use independent shops at various locations on a Sunday can be difficult...the one of two days that most people are freely available to travel and go these places...they shut there doors because its a Sunday. Makes no sense.
On the assumption that you get double time for working on Sunday, Most Sunday shifts were shorter hours or odd times...who wants to work 9.30am till 4 on a Sunday?
If im at work, then I want to put a proper shift in.
As a customer, I find it frustrating waiting around for stores to be open at 10am.
Equally trying to use independent shops at various locations on a Sunday can be difficult...the one of two days that most people are freely available to travel and go these places...they shut there doors because its a Sunday. Makes no sense.
why care that you’ll only be working from 09.30 until 16.00?
vikingaero said:
Stores will create their own natural equilibrium. Remember when Halfords used to open until 9pm? There weren't many customers so it was scaled back to 8pm, then 7pm to 6pm.
I think this is the key. The only exceptions might be where some products are harmful so for example maybe you can't sell alcohol outside pub hours, or perhaps if a garden center opens late harmful chemicals might only be sold when qualified staff members are on site (i can't see B an Q open at 2am in any case). But yeah let firms open when they want they will find the right balance.vikingaero said:
Stores will create their own natural equilibrium. Remember when Halfords used to open until 9pm? There weren't many customers so it was scaled back to 8pm, then 7pm to 6pm.
In the market town where I live the two larger supermarkets (Tesco and Asda) used to be open 24 hrs apart from Saturday night and Sunday. They scaled it back to midnight and now 10 o'clock due to lack of customers.Most of the criticism seems to be based on people making out shops are going to be forced to open 7 days a week or be open certain times.
Makes perfect sense to give people the option, and might even lead to a bit of employment for people who are happy to work a sunday a week for some extra money.
Makes perfect sense to give people the option, and might even lead to a bit of employment for people who are happy to work a sunday a week for some extra money.
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