Dam busters - Guy Gibson’s Dog
Dam busters - Guy Gibson’s Dog
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bad company

Original Poster:

21,495 posts

290 months

Thursday 16th July 2020
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Is it right for the RAF to replace the headstone?

https://www.lincolnshirelive.co.uk/news/local-news...

anonymous-user

78 months

Thursday 16th July 2020
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No, to quote George Orwell

“Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.”

Seems we are slowly getting there with getting rid of statues, calls to rename streets and history being rewritten.

Social media mob rule, anyone who disagrees with their criteria is shouted down and called a racist.

amusingduck

9,643 posts

160 months

Thursday 16th July 2020
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Unless he had a very good (and not rooted in racism) reason for naming his dog "", I can't see why it should stay.

dandarez

13,907 posts

307 months

Thursday 16th July 2020
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Dunno. Ask in a poll.

Oh!


chow pan toon

12,932 posts

261 months

Thursday 16th July 2020
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Who cares what his dog was called? It must be the least interesting thing about anyone, their pet's name. The RAF own it and they want to change the headstone, I can't understand the problem.

Gecko1978

12,302 posts

181 months

Thursday 16th July 2020
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amusingduck said:
Unless he had a very good (and not rooted in racism) reason for naming his dog "", I can't see why it should stay.
I think its safe to say he did not have a good reason more that was what he called his dog an his dog has a place in history as does Guy Gibson. We can't rewrite history so we have to accept we won't always like things. I dont think anyone is celbrating racist dogs name its just what it happend to be called

vixen1700

28,065 posts

294 months

Thursday 16th July 2020
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91% Against the name change

9% In Favour of the change

According to that poll.

Democracy 2020 style.

Ayahuasca

27,560 posts

303 months

Thursday 16th July 2020
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amusingduck said:
Unless he had a very good (and not rooted in racism) reason for naming his dog "", I can't see why it should stay.
Because that was the dog’s name.

anonymous-user

78 months

Thursday 16th July 2020
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vixen1700 said:
91% Against the name change

9% In Favour of the change

According to that poll.

Democracy 2020 style.
Yes, the vocal 9% will shout down the 91% majority and post about how outraged they are on Facebook.

bitchstewie

64,412 posts

234 months

Thursday 16th July 2020
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They even changed the name of the paint too.

Bloody politically correct bds.

anonymous-user

78 months

Thursday 16th July 2020
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bhstewie said:
They even changed the name of the paint too.

Bloody politically correct bds.
I think Spain should change the Spanish word for Black as I find it highly offensive.

Edited to say, I added this as a joke but apparently it is actually a thing!

https://metro.co.uk/2018/01/22/people-want-spanish...

mike74

3,687 posts

156 months

Thursday 16th July 2020
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It's quite ironic that Guy Gibson and the vast majority of all the others from his generation who fought and died to defeat Nazism and fascism would themselves now be classed as Nazis and fascist by today's standards for the views, attitudes and opinions that they held at the time.

anonymous-user

78 months

Thursday 16th July 2020
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amusingduck said:
Unless he had a very good (and not rooted in racism) reason for naming his dog "", I can't see why it should stay.
It was his name, just meant black, the dog was a black labrador.

smn159

15,208 posts

241 months

Thursday 16th July 2020
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Joey Deacon said:
vixen1700 said:
91% Against the name change

9% In Favour of the change

According to that poll.

Democracy 2020 style.
Yes, the vocal 9% will shout down the 91% majority and post about how outraged they are on Facebook.
Presumably you're going to take this up with the RAF, or are you just going to whine about some straw man that you've made up?

bad company

Original Poster:

21,495 posts

290 months

Thursday 16th July 2020
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I went to Scampton a couple of years ago and have a photo of the original gravestone. Best not upload it here though as someone will be offended.

bitchstewie

64,412 posts

234 months

Thursday 16th July 2020
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mike74 said:
It's quite ironic that Guy Gibson and the vast majority of all the others from his generation who fought and died to defeat Nazism and fascism would themselves now be classed as Nazis and fascist by today's standards for the views, attitudes and opinions that they held at the time.
Not at all.

Times and attitudes change that's all.

Well some do.

Dr Jekyll

23,820 posts

285 months

Thursday 16th July 2020
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amusingduck said:
Unless he had a very good (and not rooted in racism) reason for naming his dog "", I can't see why it should stay.
It was almost the standard name for black dogs at that time, it wouldn't have been regarded as racist. Someone told me the dog that played the part in the Dambusters film had the same name.

Zirconia

36,010 posts

308 months

Thursday 16th July 2020
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Dont have an issue with it. Seems the sensible thing to do.

It is written down enough and in histories, certainly a few books I have. 10 years ago I would have huffed n puffed but really not needed today. Move on. Think of the people that died instead. They are still remembered on both sides.

ottovonskidmark

169 posts

142 months

Thursday 16th July 2020
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What’s all these new terms? Gas lighting and straw man?

What have I missed?

jtremlett

1,612 posts

246 months

Thursday 16th July 2020
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It strikes me that the logical extension to this is if people start using RAF as a derogatory racist term then they'll have to rename themselves and repaint all their planes.