Senseless loss of life
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-53502...
Stabbed to death over “Snapchat beef”.
Does it really matter ?
Stabbed to death over “Snapchat beef”.
Does it really matter ?
Most black youths aren't carrying knives, just as most white youths aren't either.
The police should be allowed to stop and search anybody if they have reasonable grounds for suspicion.... the stupidly low figures for the police actually finding anything using these powers, combined with the disproportionate searching of non-whites, shows that there is almost certainly a racist angle to this and that it is not an effective strategy. It also shows the police are lying f**kers, as their "reasonable" suspicions usually turn out to mean they are just profiling, usually based on race, and they never had an actual reasonable purpose for the stop.
And yes, the police should be able to do their jobs without resorting to potentially lethal actions unless their own lives are under threat. They are employed as police, not as judge, jury and executioner.
Just because there is some violence between blacks does not mean that the rest of the issues of racism in society are suddenly cancelled out.
Edited by topsey.mod on Thursday 23 July 10:01
Edited by topsey.mod on Thursday 23 July 10:02
coolg said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-53502...
Stabbed to death over “Snapchat beef”.
Does it really matter ?
Maybe the perpetrators will be sent to a knife awareness course.Stabbed to death over “Snapchat beef”.
Does it really matter ?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-53487...
Maybe not.
spookly said:
How dim can you be.
Most black youths aren't carrying knives, just as most white youths aren't either.
The police should be allowed to stop and search anybody if they have reasonable grounds for suspicion.... the stupidly low figures for the police actually finding anything using these powers, combined with the disproportionate searching of non-whites, shows that there is almost certainly a racist angle to this and that it is not an effective strategy. It also shows the police are lying f**kers, as their "reasonable" suspicions usually turn out to mean they are just profiling, usually based on race, and they never had an actual reasonable purpose for the stop.
And yes, the police should be able to do their jobs without resorting to potentially lethal actions unless their own lives are under threat. They are employed as police, not as judge, jury and executioner.
Just because there is some violence between blacks does not mean that the rest of the issues of racism in society are suddenly cancelled out.
Oh boo fMost black youths aren't carrying knives, just as most white youths aren't either.
The police should be allowed to stop and search anybody if they have reasonable grounds for suspicion.... the stupidly low figures for the police actually finding anything using these powers, combined with the disproportionate searching of non-whites, shows that there is almost certainly a racist angle to this and that it is not an effective strategy. It also shows the police are lying f**kers, as their "reasonable" suspicions usually turn out to mean they are just profiling, usually based on race, and they never had an actual reasonable purpose for the stop.
And yes, the police should be able to do their jobs without resorting to potentially lethal actions unless their own lives are under threat. They are employed as police, not as judge, jury and executioner.
Just because there is some violence between blacks does not mean that the rest of the issues of racism in society are suddenly cancelled out.
king hoo!Dont Panic said:
spookly said:
How dim can you be.
Most black youths aren't carrying knives, just as most white youths aren't either.
The police should be allowed to stop and search anybody if they have reasonable grounds for suspicion.... the stupidly low figures for the police actually finding anything using these powers, combined with the disproportionate searching of non-whites, shows that there is almost certainly a racist angle to this and that it is not an effective strategy. It also shows the police are lying f**kers, as their "reasonable" suspicions usually turn out to mean they are just profiling, usually based on race, and they never had an actual reasonable purpose for the stop.
And yes, the police should be able to do their jobs without resorting to potentially lethal actions unless their own lives are under threat. They are employed as police, not as judge, jury and executioner.
Just because there is some violence between blacks does not mean that the rest of the issues of racism in society are suddenly cancelled out.
Oh boo fMost black youths aren't carrying knives, just as most white youths aren't either.
The police should be allowed to stop and search anybody if they have reasonable grounds for suspicion.... the stupidly low figures for the police actually finding anything using these powers, combined with the disproportionate searching of non-whites, shows that there is almost certainly a racist angle to this and that it is not an effective strategy. It also shows the police are lying f**kers, as their "reasonable" suspicions usually turn out to mean they are just profiling, usually based on race, and they never had an actual reasonable purpose for the stop.
And yes, the police should be able to do their jobs without resorting to potentially lethal actions unless their own lives are under threat. They are employed as police, not as judge, jury and executioner.
Just because there is some violence between blacks does not mean that the rest of the issues of racism in society are suddenly cancelled out.
king hoo!Ignoring all the race stuff, the defendent is not pleading guilty to murder but manslaughter despite stabbing him twice in the chest up to 5inches!
The prosecutor then says "you must think the defendent intended to cause Baptiste some really serious harm". Now, thats either mega Lawyer understatement OR are they pushing for an easy win on manslaughter? Stabbing someone in the heart and lung, normally results in death; unlike the arm, leg, bottom or even Chelsea smile.
Shouldn't the rules in stabby prosecutions be anywhere near a vital organ should be deemed attempted / actual murder? Might cause 5% of black, white and Asian stabbys to think where they stick the blade?
The prosecutor then says "you must think the defendent intended to cause Baptiste some really serious harm". Now, thats either mega Lawyer understatement OR are they pushing for an easy win on manslaughter? Stabbing someone in the heart and lung, normally results in death; unlike the arm, leg, bottom or even Chelsea smile.
Shouldn't the rules in stabby prosecutions be anywhere near a vital organ should be deemed attempted / actual murder? Might cause 5% of black, white and Asian stabby
s to think where they stick the blade?spookly said:
How dim can you be.
Most black youths aren't carrying knives, just as most white youths aren't either.
The police should be allowed to stop and search anybody if they have reasonable grounds for suspicion.... the stupidly low figures for the police actually finding anything using these powers, combined with the disproportionate searching of non-whites, shows that there is almost certainly a racist angle to this and that it is not an effective strategy. It also shows the police are lying f**kers, as their "reasonable" suspicions usually turn out to mean they are just profiling, usually based on race, and they never had an actual reasonable purpose for the stop.
And yes, the police should be able to do their jobs without resorting to potentially lethal actions unless their own lives are under threat. They are employed as police, not as judge, jury and executioner.
Just because there is some violence between blacks does not mean that the rest of the issues of racism in society are suddenly cancelled out.
So if statistics show that knife crime is more likely to be committed by black males, it's racist to stop and search more black males than white males? Most black youths aren't carrying knives, just as most white youths aren't either.
The police should be allowed to stop and search anybody if they have reasonable grounds for suspicion.... the stupidly low figures for the police actually finding anything using these powers, combined with the disproportionate searching of non-whites, shows that there is almost certainly a racist angle to this and that it is not an effective strategy. It also shows the police are lying f**kers, as their "reasonable" suspicions usually turn out to mean they are just profiling, usually based on race, and they never had an actual reasonable purpose for the stop.
And yes, the police should be able to do their jobs without resorting to potentially lethal actions unless their own lives are under threat. They are employed as police, not as judge, jury and executioner.
Just because there is some violence between blacks does not mean that the rest of the issues of racism in society are suddenly cancelled out.
Do the Police stop searching black males once they've got to a certain number and it becomes dis-proportionate? Do they then have to start searching white males in order to bring the numbers up and they can then start searching a few more black males again?
Why aren't they stop and searching as many women? Are the police sexist or are they just going by what statistics tell them?
spookly said:
How dim can you be.
Most black youths aren't carrying knives, just as most white youths aren't either.
The police should be allowed to stop and search anybody if they have reasonable grounds for suspicion.... the stupidly low figures for the police actually finding anything using these powers, combined with the disproportionate searching of non-whites, shows that there is almost certainly a racist angle to this and that it is not an effective strategy. It also shows the police are lying f**kers, as their "reasonable" suspicions usually turn out to mean they are just profiling, usually based on race, and they never had an actual reasonable purpose for the stop.
And yes, the police should be able to do their jobs without resorting to potentially lethal actions unless their own lives are under threat. They are employed as police, not as judge, jury and executioner.
Just because there is some violence between blacks does not mean that the rest of the issues of racism in society are suddenly cancelled out.
Disproportionate ?Most black youths aren't carrying knives, just as most white youths aren't either.
The police should be allowed to stop and search anybody if they have reasonable grounds for suspicion.... the stupidly low figures for the police actually finding anything using these powers, combined with the disproportionate searching of non-whites, shows that there is almost certainly a racist angle to this and that it is not an effective strategy. It also shows the police are lying f**kers, as their "reasonable" suspicions usually turn out to mean they are just profiling, usually based on race, and they never had an actual reasonable purpose for the stop.
And yes, the police should be able to do their jobs without resorting to potentially lethal actions unless their own lives are under threat. They are employed as police, not as judge, jury and executioner.
Just because there is some violence between blacks does not mean that the rest of the issues of racism in society are suddenly cancelled out.
Funny how these racist police don’t profile, chinese, Japanese, Jews etc
I mean don’t racists hate Jews?
Just an odd form of racism these police have. I’m sure there is no reason for it. No reason at all. Just pure racism. That’s all it can be.
I read the story as
- Kid sees school snapchat 'beef group'
- Kid joins and recieves message from killer saying 'If you havent stabbed anyone you cant be part of this group'
- Kid tells him to bugger off by saying he'll be first.
- Killer stalks kid and stabs him to death on bus along with his mate.
How is that the kids fault?
- Kid sees school snapchat 'beef group'
- Kid joins and recieves message from killer saying 'If you havent stabbed anyone you cant be part of this group'
- Kid tells him to bugger off by saying he'll be first.
- Killer stalks kid and stabs him to death on bus along with his mate.
How is that the kids fault?
bobbo89 said:
So if statistics show that knife crime is more likely to be committed by black males, it's racist to stop and search more black males than white males?
https://fullfact.org/crime/are-majority-youth-knif...In under 25s...
38% England & Wales total.
Two thirds in London.
g3org3y said:
https://fullfact.org/crime/are-majority-youth-knif...
In under 25s...
38% England & Wales total.
Two thirds in London.
I was referring to London, it is the epicentre of UK knife crime ATM and where police are conducting more stop and searches with their enhanced section 60 powers. In under 25s...
38% England & Wales total.
Two thirds in London.
Pesty said:
spookly said:
How dim can you be.
Most black youths aren't carrying knives, just as most white youths aren't either.
The police should be allowed to stop and search anybody if they have reasonable grounds for suspicion.... the stupidly low figures for the police actually finding anything using these powers, combined with the disproportionate searching of non-whites, shows that there is almost certainly a racist angle to this and that it is not an effective strategy. It also shows the police are lying f**kers, as their "reasonable" suspicions usually turn out to mean they are just profiling, usually based on race, and they never had an actual reasonable purpose for the stop.
And yes, the police should be able to do their jobs without resorting to potentially lethal actions unless their own lives are under threat. They are employed as police, not as judge, jury and executioner.
Just because there is some violence between blacks does not mean that the rest of the issues of racism in society are suddenly cancelled out.
Disproportionate ?Most black youths aren't carrying knives, just as most white youths aren't either.
The police should be allowed to stop and search anybody if they have reasonable grounds for suspicion.... the stupidly low figures for the police actually finding anything using these powers, combined with the disproportionate searching of non-whites, shows that there is almost certainly a racist angle to this and that it is not an effective strategy. It also shows the police are lying f**kers, as their "reasonable" suspicions usually turn out to mean they are just profiling, usually based on race, and they never had an actual reasonable purpose for the stop.
And yes, the police should be able to do their jobs without resorting to potentially lethal actions unless their own lives are under threat. They are employed as police, not as judge, jury and executioner.
Just because there is some violence between blacks does not mean that the rest of the issues of racism in society are suddenly cancelled out.
Funny how these racist police don’t profile, chinese, Japanese, Jews etc
I mean don’t racists hate Jews?
Just an odd form of racism these police have. I’m sure there is no reason for it. No reason at all. Just pure racism. That’s all it can be.
The total BAME population of the UK?
The total BAME population in the areas where Stop and Search are carried out ?
Those available on the streets at say 10pm to be stopped and searched ?
Those committing the crimes ?
The eyewitness account saying their attacker was bame ?
Those living in poor areas / poverty ?
Woolwich is 66% Bame.
stongle said:
Ignoring all the race stuff, the defendent is not pleading guilty to murder but manslaughter despite stabbing him twice in the chest up to 5inches!
The prosecutor then says "you must think the defendent intended to cause Baptiste some really serious harm". Now, thats either mega Lawyer understatement OR are they pushing for an easy win on manslaughter? Stabbing someone in the heart and lung, normally results in death; unlike the arm, leg, bottom or even Chelsea smile.
Shouldn't the rules in stabby prosecutions be anywhere near a vital organ should be deemed attempted / actual murder? Might cause 5% of black, white and Asian stabbys to think where they stick the blade?
The CPS seem to push for the win, rather than the result, if you see what I mean. The prosecutor then says "you must think the defendent intended to cause Baptiste some really serious harm". Now, thats either mega Lawyer understatement OR are they pushing for an easy win on manslaughter? Stabbing someone in the heart and lung, normally results in death; unlike the arm, leg, bottom or even Chelsea smile.
Shouldn't the rules in stabby prosecutions be anywhere near a vital organ should be deemed attempted / actual murder? Might cause 5% of black, white and Asian stabby
s to think where they stick the blade?Years ago (it's recorded on here, as PH was a bloody superb source of help and comfort), my littlest bro was mugged.
By a bloke he knew from school. Dude ran off - but then came back to where Ash was lying on the ground, and started stamping on his head...
Now to me, that's a pretty clear sign that matey really didn't want to leave a victim who could identify him. He'd gotten what he wanted (a s
t phone), but then he came back and went for the skull. CPS didn't agree, and the dude was done for GBH with intent. He was out in 3.
KAgantua said:
I read the story as
- Kid sees school snapchat 'beef group'
- Kid joins and recieves message from killer saying 'If you havent stabbed anyone you cant be part of this group'
- Kid tells him to bugger off by saying he'll be first.
- Killer stalks kid and stabs him to death on bus along with his mate.
How is that the kids fault?
If you listen to some of the posters who have replied, because he was black.- Kid sees school snapchat 'beef group'
- Kid joins and recieves message from killer saying 'If you havent stabbed anyone you cant be part of this group'
- Kid tells him to bugger off by saying he'll be first.
- Killer stalks kid and stabs him to death on bus along with his mate.
How is that the kids fault?
T6 vanman said:
Another Black Life that Mattered,
Still we mustn't stop or arrest coloured youth carrying knifes
If you didn't need to be so quick with the point scoring over a child's murder, you'd have seen that he was the victim.Still we mustn't stop or arrest coloured youth carrying knifes
T6 vanman said:
….. And god forbid a policeman having to restrain a struggling knife wielding suspect places his knee in an inappropriate place.
At what point would being able to do that have prevented this child's murder?vdn said:
Gameface said:
Senseless loss of life?
Not seeing it. Done us all a favour in my opinion.
This is Pistonheads in a nutshell.Not seeing it. Done us all a favour in my opinion.
A black/poor child gets stabbed over silly talk on social media... and the perpetrator has “done us all a favour”.
Unbelievable. Pretty disgusting also.
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