Protect and survive
Discussion
If you're too young to have seen one of these have a watch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgOybc8Jdoo&t=...
This was suitable viewing for ten year old children in school, we all knew what to do with a white sheet back then...
The Cuban Missile Crisis was recent news, graphic footage of Hiroshima was de-rigeur, seeing people with their skin all charred and peeling simply reinforced the message of how serious nuclear war would be. The cold war was in full effect and tensions between nuclear superpowers frequently rose.
For some of the younger generation Covid is the first time there's been an actual 'threat' or something worth worrying about. For some of us this barely registers.
Having an understanding of the threat level some of us lived through might help you understand why not everyone is as concerned by this as you are.
Current threat level, meh.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgOybc8Jdoo&t=...
This was suitable viewing for ten year old children in school, we all knew what to do with a white sheet back then...
The Cuban Missile Crisis was recent news, graphic footage of Hiroshima was de-rigeur, seeing people with their skin all charred and peeling simply reinforced the message of how serious nuclear war would be. The cold war was in full effect and tensions between nuclear superpowers frequently rose.
For some of the younger generation Covid is the first time there's been an actual 'threat' or something worth worrying about. For some of us this barely registers.
Having an understanding of the threat level some of us lived through might help you understand why not everyone is as concerned by this as you are.
Current threat level, meh.
WinstonWolf said:
If you're too young to have seen one of these have a watch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgOybc8Jdoo&t=...
This was suitable viewing for ten year old children in school, we all knew what to do with a white sheet back then...
The Cuban Missile Crisis was recent news, graphic footage of Hiroshima was de-rigeur, seeing people with their skin all charred and peeling simply reinforced the message of how serious nuclear war would be. The cold war was in full effect and tensions between nuclear superpowers frequently rose.
For some of the younger generation Covid is the first time there's been an actual 'threat' or something worth worrying about. For some of us this barely registers.
Having an understanding of the threat level some of us lived through might help you understand why not everyone is as concerned by this as you are.
Current threat level, meh.
The Protect and Survive booklet and video was produced in 1980. The Cuban Missile Crisis was in 1962. I wouldn't consider an 18 year gap as that "recent".https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgOybc8Jdoo&t=...
This was suitable viewing for ten year old children in school, we all knew what to do with a white sheet back then...
The Cuban Missile Crisis was recent news, graphic footage of Hiroshima was de-rigeur, seeing people with their skin all charred and peeling simply reinforced the message of how serious nuclear war would be. The cold war was in full effect and tensions between nuclear superpowers frequently rose.
For some of the younger generation Covid is the first time there's been an actual 'threat' or something worth worrying about. For some of us this barely registers.
Having an understanding of the threat level some of us lived through might help you understand why not everyone is as concerned by this as you are.
Current threat level, meh.
I would have watched threads and been around 10 at the time, no way would I let my children watch it even today.
The music at the end of the protect and survive films still haunts me to this day. I visited the Kelvedon Hatch bunker a few years ago and all the protect and survive films were playing on a loop on an old VHS player in one of the rooms. The place was absolutely deserted, we were the only people walking around and you could hear that tune playing in the background as you walked around this dark bunker with mannequins in the shadows.
It felt surreal walking out afterwards to a beautiful summer day.
The music at the end of the protect and survive films still haunts me to this day. I visited the Kelvedon Hatch bunker a few years ago and all the protect and survive films were playing on a loop on an old VHS player in one of the rooms. The place was absolutely deserted, we were the only people walking around and you could hear that tune playing in the background as you walked around this dark bunker with mannequins in the shadows.
It felt surreal walking out afterwards to a beautiful summer day.
Always nice to see the advice from Protect & Survive on building a fallout refuge when there is the the equivalent of 2 tons* of TNT for every person on earth.
- Your own allocation is obvs dependant on location, expect somewhat more if you live in a major city or near a strategic military site.
Eric Mc said:
The Protect and Survive booklet and video was produced in 1980. The Cuban Missile Crisis was in 1962. I wouldn't consider an 18 year gap as that "recent".
The pamphlets were later, the video was released in '75. The chronology is unimportant, it's just looking at relative threats.I suspect you can remember being in the air raid shelters when the mustard gas warnings sounded
Krupp88 said:
Always nice to see the advice from Protect & Survive on building a fallout refuge when there is the the equivalent of 2 tons* of TNT for every person on earth.
Get in a convenient ditch if you're caught outside - Your own allocation is obvs dependant on location, expect somewhat more if you live in a major city or near a strategic military site.
Sirens on a weekly test. Heavy bricks stored at some locations to build shelters for people to survive a short while (yeah right), health tick tocks telling you a backup transmission system was active in the event of a strike, certain buildings with more than they appeared to have. Exchanges at deep levels.
Interesting times.
Interesting times.
WinstonWolf said:
If you're too young to have seen one of these have a watch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgOybc8Jdoo&t=...
This was suitable viewing for ten year old children in school, we all knew what to do with a white sheet back then...
The Cuban Missile Crisis was recent news, graphic footage of Hiroshima was de-rigeur, seeing people with their skin all charred and peeling simply reinforced the message of how serious nuclear war would be. The cold war was in full effect and tensions between nuclear superpowers frequently rose.
For some of the younger generation Covid is the first time there's been an actual 'threat' or something worth worrying about. For some of us this barely registers.
Having an understanding of the threat level some of us lived through might help you understand why not everyone is as concerned by this as you are.
Current threat level, meh.
OK boomer.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgOybc8Jdoo&t=...
This was suitable viewing for ten year old children in school, we all knew what to do with a white sheet back then...
The Cuban Missile Crisis was recent news, graphic footage of Hiroshima was de-rigeur, seeing people with their skin all charred and peeling simply reinforced the message of how serious nuclear war would be. The cold war was in full effect and tensions between nuclear superpowers frequently rose.
For some of the younger generation Covid is the first time there's been an actual 'threat' or something worth worrying about. For some of us this barely registers.
Having an understanding of the threat level some of us lived through might help you understand why not everyone is as concerned by this as you are.
Current threat level, meh.
Any excuse to post a link to Alex Wellerstein's excellent Nukemap
What I find interesting is that people often over estimate the affects of atomic/nuclear weapons. The Hiroshima bomb detonated in BA's maintenance bulidings at Heathrow is unlikely to even break the windows at T5.
If a Trident warhead went bang at Coulport you'd probably be ok even as close as Helensburgh.
What I find interesting is that people often over estimate the affects of atomic/nuclear weapons. The Hiroshima bomb detonated in BA's maintenance bulidings at Heathrow is unlikely to even break the windows at T5.
If a Trident warhead went bang at Coulport you'd probably be ok even as close as Helensburgh.
Used to have yearly Police duties war training. Not quite sure what we'd have done had the balloon gone up. Sirens were located throughout the country. Police stations were equipped with United kingdom monitoring and warning speakers where various phases of the impending attack would be announced. These were tested daily and test messages were transmitted twice yearly. The imminent attack warning sounded quite eerie.
WinstonWolf said:
Get in a convenient ditch if you're caught outside
It's remarkably good advice. Clearly if the thing detonates above you, you're toast. With a detonation over the horizon, it gives you pretty much 100% gamma and neutron shielding from the initial blast - you'll have several 10 of metres of earth between you and the bomb, which is enough. You're then utterly knackered as fallout pours out of the sky, but if you have a convenient bunker nearby, then a wet ditch is a good start.
limpsfield said:
How is this topic news?
I am looking forward to a very old PHer coming along and telling us that we were all lucky snowflakes as all we had to put up with in the 70s was the threat of war, rather than having actual bombs falling on us from the hun.
I am doing this right?
No. I am looking forward to a very old PHer coming along and telling us that we were all lucky snowflakes as all we had to put up with in the 70s was the threat of war, rather than having actual bombs falling on us from the hun.
I am doing this right?
If a PH'r is 'very old' - and you might be surprised (young man
) there are some on here I think you will find that they can in fact remember bombs falling from the Hun.
WinstonWolf said:
The pamphlets were later, the video was released in '75. The chronology is unimportant, it's just looking at relative threats.
I suspect you can remember being in the air raid shelters when the mustard gas warnings sounded
What is interesting is that they didn't seem to want to issue "Protect and Survive" type advice when the Cold War was at its absolute peak. I suspect you can remember being in the air raid shelters when the mustard gas warnings sounded
I expect this was because, in 1962, they knew that such advice was a load of old b
ks.LimaDelta said:
Any excuse to post a link to Alex Wellerstein's excellent Nukemap
What I find interesting is that people often over estimate the affects of atomic/nuclear weapons. The Hiroshima bomb detonated in BA's maintenance bulidings at Heathrow is unlikely to even break the windows at T5.
If a Trident warhead went bang at Coulport you'd probably be ok even as close as Helensburgh.
The 2 tons per person plays into the overestimating, however if you are in the wrong place then you are likely to have a really bad day or lucky day by never realising what happened to you.What I find interesting is that people often over estimate the affects of atomic/nuclear weapons. The Hiroshima bomb detonated in BA's maintenance bulidings at Heathrow is unlikely to even break the windows at T5.
If a Trident warhead went bang at Coulport you'd probably be ok even as close as Helensburgh.
Although I was under the impression that you would need to be >30 miles away from the detonation point of most ICBM nuclear warheads to be safe from vision damage.
GoodCompany said:
WinstonWolf said:
If you're too young to have seen one of these have a watch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgOybc8Jdoo&t=...
This was suitable viewing for ten year old children in school, we all knew what to do with a white sheet back then...
The Cuban Missile Crisis was recent news, graphic footage of Hiroshima was de-rigeur, seeing people with their skin all charred and peeling simply reinforced the message of how serious nuclear war would be. The cold war was in full effect and tensions between nuclear superpowers frequently rose.
For some of the younger generation Covid is the first time there's been an actual 'threat' or something worth worrying about. For some of us this barely registers.
Having an understanding of the threat level some of us lived through might help you understand why not everyone is as concerned by this as you are.
Current threat level, meh.
OK boomer.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgOybc8Jdoo&t=...
This was suitable viewing for ten year old children in school, we all knew what to do with a white sheet back then...
The Cuban Missile Crisis was recent news, graphic footage of Hiroshima was de-rigeur, seeing people with their skin all charred and peeling simply reinforced the message of how serious nuclear war would be. The cold war was in full effect and tensions between nuclear superpowers frequently rose.
For some of the younger generation Covid is the first time there's been an actual 'threat' or something worth worrying about. For some of us this barely registers.
Having an understanding of the threat level some of us lived through might help you understand why not everyone is as concerned by this as you are.
Current threat level, meh.
The difference being, of course, that had the balloon gone up back then there was absolutely nothing the general populace could have effectively done to protect themselves - either from the immediate effects or the subsequent collapse of society in what was left - and everybody knew it. The Civil Defence Corps was disbanded in the late 1960s as a result - whilst it may have been useful in the age of Hiroshima scale fission-based nuclear exchanges, once fusion weapons were being deployed, there wasn't really much point is trying to pretend that anything in the UK was going to survive once the missiles started flying.
Whereas in the current situation, there is clearly a role which the public can play in helping to reduce the impact of Covid-19. Whether or not they choose to do so, or just act like whinging old fannies, is another matter.
I would say it's very relevant to today.
Those who will entertain no doubt that the government is acting in our best interests with face masks, Covid vaccinations and the general mayhem that their response to this crisis has caused would do well to remember that it isn't very long since our government was happy for us to hide under the kitchen table as the USSR rained nuclear bombs on us.
They may well have been right to be worried about Covid as they were right to oppose the Soviet Union but they have their own interests at heart. We are cattle on the tax farm as far as they're concerned.
Those who will entertain no doubt that the government is acting in our best interests with face masks, Covid vaccinations and the general mayhem that their response to this crisis has caused would do well to remember that it isn't very long since our government was happy for us to hide under the kitchen table as the USSR rained nuclear bombs on us.
They may well have been right to be worried about Covid as they were right to oppose the Soviet Union but they have their own interests at heart. We are cattle on the tax farm as far as they're concerned.
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