"Senior Tory MP" arrested for rape.
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Mail is running with it, saying that they'll have more info in the MoS from what is circling on Twitter - details obviously light, as it stands
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8584027/a...
https://news.sky.com/story/former-tory-minister-ar...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8584027/a...
https://news.sky.com/story/former-tory-minister-ar...
Edited by Deathmole on Saturday 1st August 22:28
Former minister. Current MP. In their 50's. I'm sure someone with more time and knowledge from me could come up with a short list.
Tbh I think that naming someone who hasn't even been charged is out of order. And would hope that unless there is enough evidence to charge the person then a name won't be dragged through the mud.
Tbh I think that naming someone who hasn't even been charged is out of order. And would hope that unless there is enough evidence to charge the person then a name won't be dragged through the mud.
Lentilist said:
Lucas CAV said:
Former minister but current mp
Add that to "man in his 50s" (per police statement) and you don't get an overly long list of names.Lentilist said:
Deathmole said:
It won't stay secret for long - surely.it will be public knowledge by this time tomorrow, regardless of any press releases/statements?
I can understand not naming immediately, for both accused and accuser. Given the accuser is staff, their anonymity would be hard to protect. Suggestions allegations were known about internally for a month, which could be interesting, especially given how quick the party was to withdraw the whip from Julian Lewis regarding the ISC appointment.Will be interesting to see whether this thread follows the Owen Jones thread trajectory, assuming it stays open long enough.
I think if the police have charged someone the name will/should? be forthcoming, unlike the Cliff Richard debacle when his name was released on suspicion and charges were never bought.
Lentilist said:
biggbn said:
would you care to expand on your last paragraph. Its late and am perhaps a tad slow tonight, but where are the comparisons?
Not comparable in terms of the specific accusations (and not trying to claim they are), but rather the way that thread (as well as others) evolved:-Didn't happen
Did happen, but we're not being told everything
Did happen, we're being told everything, but victim is playing a "card" and/or media agenda (optional attack of Guardian, BBC)
Did happen, asking for it by holding certain opinions, waste of police time
Things then quickly devolve into victim blaming and mental gymnastics to manufacture some sort of agenda on behalf of the accuser, the media, the police and basically the entire legal system.
The seriousness of this accusation would seem to remove the possibility to include the final stage of "well I don't like them, so they deserved it anyway", but you never know.
None of that is intended to diminish the seriousness of the accusation, I'm just genuinely curious to see if the pattern repeats when the accuser isn't someone a decent sub-section of the forum actively dislikes and has actively expressed a desire to punch in the face..
Helicopter123 said:
Another one?
Tory Party seems to have a problem with sexual assault.
Good job the Labour party has avoided being plagued by people with convictions for serious sex crimes, then. Tory Party seems to have a problem with sexual assault.
Just look at all these horrible abusive Tories - https://timetostartcaring.com/the-labour-partys-co...
Edited by AJL308 on Sunday 2nd August 00:42
The Metro - indeed that well known source of journalistic excellence and rigour - is claiming that "these offences are alleged to have occurred at addresses in Westminster, Lambeth and Hackney between July 2019 and January 2020".
How does that happen?
Not defending the guy by any means, but come on...
How does that happen?
Not defending the guy by any means, but come on...
Mobile Chicane said:
The Metro - indeed that well known source of journalistic excellence and rigour - is claiming that "these offences are alleged to have occurred at addresses in Westminster, Lambeth and Hackney between July 2019 and January 2020".
How does that happen?
Not defending the guy by any means, but come on...
??How does that happen?
Not defending the guy by any means, but come on...
Lucas CAV said:
Mobile Chicane said:
The Metro - indeed that well known source of journalistic excellence and rigour - is claiming that "these offences are alleged to have occurred at addresses in Westminster, Lambeth and Hackney between July 2019 and January 2020".
How does that happen?
Not defending the guy by any means, but come on...
??How does that happen?
Not defending the guy by any means, but come on...
Stay in Bed Instead said:
Lucas CAV said:
Mobile Chicane said:
The Metro - indeed that well known source of journalistic excellence and rigour - is claiming that "these offences are alleged to have occurred at addresses in Westminster, Lambeth and Hackney between July 2019 and January 2020".
How does that happen?
Not defending the guy by any means, but come on...
??How does that happen?
Not defending the guy by any means, but come on...
From personal experience victim's of sexual assault are not only physically damaged but also mentally. Feelings of guilt and shame are not uncommon to the extent they are the controlled by their attacker it happens again and they believe its their fault.
Hence this person will have gone back to the person believing they deserved it or such like. Its a vile crime we don't punish harshly enough (you can say that about many things but experience tells me while rape does not kill someone often it causes something psychologically to die in a person everyday there after.
Gecko1978 said:
I don't want to appear to insult you at all please let thst be clear.
From personal experience victim's of sexual assault are not only physically damaged but also mentally. Feelings of guilt and shame are not uncommon to the extent they are the controlled by their attacker it happens again and they believe its their fault.
Hence this person will have gone back to the person believing they deserved it or such like. Its a vile crime we don't punish harshly enough (you can say that about many things but experience tells me while rape does not kill someone often it causes something psychologically to die in a person everyday there after.
Yes, I don't disagree with you there.From personal experience victim's of sexual assault are not only physically damaged but also mentally. Feelings of guilt and shame are not uncommon to the extent they are the controlled by their attacker it happens again and they believe its their fault.
Hence this person will have gone back to the person believing they deserved it or such like. Its a vile crime we don't punish harshly enough (you can say that about many things but experience tells me while rape does not kill someone often it causes something psychologically to die in a person everyday there after.
The accusation if often missused though.
Stay in Bed Instead said:
Gecko1978 said:
I don't want to appear to insult you at all please let thst be clear.
From personal experience victim's of sexual assault are not only physically damaged but also mentally. Feelings of guilt and shame are not uncommon to the extent they are the controlled by their attacker it happens again and they believe its their fault.
Hence this person will have gone back to the person believing they deserved it or such like. Its a vile crime we don't punish harshly enough (you can say that about many things but experience tells me while rape does not kill someone often it causes something psychologically to die in a person everyday there after.
Yes, I don't disagree with you there.From personal experience victim's of sexual assault are not only physically damaged but also mentally. Feelings of guilt and shame are not uncommon to the extent they are the controlled by their attacker it happens again and they believe its their fault.
Hence this person will have gone back to the person believing they deserved it or such like. Its a vile crime we don't punish harshly enough (you can say that about many things but experience tells me while rape does not kill someone often it causes something psychologically to die in a person everyday there after.
The accusation if often missused though.
I think its why until guilt is proven sex offence reporting should be anonymous.
Ched Evans always springs to mind....how the immorality but not illegality of a young man destroyed a career and a life (He was found not guilty on appeal).
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