The tories - what have they done for us?
Discussion
They have been in power for a decade now. I am struggling to think of anything positive.
Budget cuts, austerity, police cuts- was all of this necessary?
Then we had the whole Brexit thing which has been handled terribly.
We had the wind rush scandal and the unpleasant environment for immigrant and the hostile immigration policies.
Now a breakup of the union seems to be on the horizon.
Can anyone think of any positives?
Budget cuts, austerity, police cuts- was all of this necessary?
Then we had the whole Brexit thing which has been handled terribly.
We had the wind rush scandal and the unpleasant environment for immigrant and the hostile immigration policies.
Now a breakup of the union seems to be on the horizon.
Can anyone think of any positives?
jamoor said:
They have been in power for a decade now. I am struggling to think of anything positive.
Budget cuts, austerity, police cuts- was all of this necessary?
Then we had the whole Brexit thing which has been handled terribly.
We had the wind rush scandal and the unpleasant environment for immigrant and the hostile immigration policies.
Now a breakup of the union seems to be on the horizon.
Can anyone think of any positives?
They've been in for 5 years, not 10Budget cuts, austerity, police cuts- was all of this necessary?
Then we had the whole Brexit thing which has been handled terribly.
We had the wind rush scandal and the unpleasant environment for immigrant and the hostile immigration policies.
Now a breakup of the union seems to be on the horizon.
Can anyone think of any positives?
While I don't agree with Brexit the windrush stuff/hostile immigration environment was well needed, definitely the "least worse" versus the labour government/magic grandpa we could have got.....
A tory bashing thread?
Politics is often a game of the population choosing the least harmful of the election options available. If you hate the Torys just try to look at it in that view
From a more 'neutral' point I am glad to have seen the torys win over the opposition options that have presented themselves over the past decade.
The UK economy survived and picked up after 2008, thanks to austerity measures not despite of it.
After labour government it is usually left to the torys to have to take the difficult options in order to rebalance the books, which of course draws a load of criticism from some who choose to ignore the damaging effects of a government that created debts for so many future generations and blame the current situation on those new into office.
I'm also glad the UK is still a democratic capitalist environment despite the challenges to this by gumpy racist grandad's marxists and the opposition to democratic processes done by those opposing brexit.
Politics is often a game of the population choosing the least harmful of the election options available. If you hate the Torys just try to look at it in that view
From a more 'neutral' point I am glad to have seen the torys win over the opposition options that have presented themselves over the past decade.
The UK economy survived and picked up after 2008, thanks to austerity measures not despite of it.
After labour government it is usually left to the torys to have to take the difficult options in order to rebalance the books, which of course draws a load of criticism from some who choose to ignore the damaging effects of a government that created debts for so many future generations and blame the current situation on those new into office.
I'm also glad the UK is still a democratic capitalist environment despite the challenges to this by gumpy racist grandad's marxists and the opposition to democratic processes done by those opposing brexit.
They've taken back control (but asked the French to help police our borders), brought the country closer together (but the SNP's rise in power is nothing short of phenomenal), made the UK a more welcoming country (racism is on the up) and they've made the UK a more independent thinking, forward looking country. We might need to tell this pair about that last one though.........
REALIST123 said:
The biggest positive is that Labour didn’t get in.
The Tories are the least worst option, that’s all. As it’s always been.
This. If nothing else they have enabled the UK to avoid the utter disaster of a labour governmentThe Tories are the least worst option, that’s all. As it’s always been.
A disaster that happens every single time labour get the keys to No10.
Then it takes years for the UK to claw itself back to even just a position of dire straights, from the state of sheer, and utter disaster which is the result for the UK, every time labour get into power
Unknown_User said:
...but asked the French to help police our borders...
Funny how people see things differently...We seem to be asking the French to police their own borders rather than helping us do ours. (Unless you believe the dinghy occupying immigrants rowed the long way round...).
Not a fan of current government but what have the tories done.
Pre Covid managed to restore the economy post 2008 and stabilise the banking sector. Slowly but surely reduced our troop numbers in the ME, while trying at least to not make it a whole lot worse (I said trying). Prevented housing market which majority of citizens store their wealth in from collapsing (is this good depends on way you look at it). Managed to get us out of the EU as voted for by people in the UK (again good or bad hard to say).
Prevented the union breaking up in 2014. Not entered into more illegal wars.
Oh and even though bojo is a real life characture of a pm actually smashed Labour and the hard left.
Pre Covid managed to restore the economy post 2008 and stabilise the banking sector. Slowly but surely reduced our troop numbers in the ME, while trying at least to not make it a whole lot worse (I said trying). Prevented housing market which majority of citizens store their wealth in from collapsing (is this good depends on way you look at it). Managed to get us out of the EU as voted for by people in the UK (again good or bad hard to say).
Prevented the union breaking up in 2014. Not entered into more illegal wars.
Oh and even though bojo is a real life characture of a pm actually smashed Labour and the hard left.
jamoor said:
Budget cuts, austerity, police cuts- was all of this necessary?
Can anyone think of any positives?
Well the biggest positive I can think of is that they sorted out the cluster fCan anyone think of any positives?
k economy labour left behind. You know after a decade of tax rises and selling of the family silver (literally) was still bankrupt. They have, on balance, improved secondary education.
The new GCSEs are both more challenging and less open to manipulation as there’s no coursework. Moreover, the content itself is better, with, for example, a return to some traditional texts in English Literature and the EBACC as a benchmark of a rounded academic education including a humanity and a language.
Lastly, the general atmosphere has shifted so that teaching itself has increasingly seen a return to traditional pedagogies and an acceptance that discipline in schools is important. These are the things that actually help social mobility most as it allows students from all backgrounds to access.
It has not been all good. I honestly think performance related pay for teachers has been an absolute nonsense. It’s attempting to force accountability into something that, at the individual teacher level, is affected by too much by things out of a teachers’ control. Also, I just don’t think that for me of any of my colleagues it makes any difference whatsoever to how hard we work. If anything it is used as a way for school leaders to manage out a very small number of underperforming / awkward staff, but there should be other ways of doing this without adding stress and bureaucracy to new teachers who are generally working hard anyway.
I say all this as a secondary teacher and a Labour Party member, make of that what you will. To be honest Labour hardly ever mention secondary education, it’s all Sure Start and adult learning.
The new GCSEs are both more challenging and less open to manipulation as there’s no coursework. Moreover, the content itself is better, with, for example, a return to some traditional texts in English Literature and the EBACC as a benchmark of a rounded academic education including a humanity and a language.
Lastly, the general atmosphere has shifted so that teaching itself has increasingly seen a return to traditional pedagogies and an acceptance that discipline in schools is important. These are the things that actually help social mobility most as it allows students from all backgrounds to access.
It has not been all good. I honestly think performance related pay for teachers has been an absolute nonsense. It’s attempting to force accountability into something that, at the individual teacher level, is affected by too much by things out of a teachers’ control. Also, I just don’t think that for me of any of my colleagues it makes any difference whatsoever to how hard we work. If anything it is used as a way for school leaders to manage out a very small number of underperforming / awkward staff, but there should be other ways of doing this without adding stress and bureaucracy to new teachers who are generally working hard anyway.
I say all this as a secondary teacher and a Labour Party member, make of that what you will. To be honest Labour hardly ever mention secondary education, it’s all Sure Start and adult learning.
TomTheTyke said:
They have, on balance, improved secondary education.
The new GCSEs are both more challenging and less open to manipulation as there’s no coursework. Moreover, the content itself is better, with, for example, a return to some traditional texts in English Literature and the EBACC as a benchmark of a rounded academic education including a humanity and a language.
Lastly, the general atmosphere has shifted so that teaching itself has increasingly seen a return to traditional pedagogies and an acceptance that discipline in schools is important. These are the things that actually help social mobility most as it allows students from all backgrounds to access.
It has not been all good. I honestly think performance related pay for teachers has been an absolute nonsense. It’s attempting to force accountability into something that, at the individual teacher level, is affected by too much by things out of a teachers’ control. Also, I just don’t think that for me of any of my colleagues it makes any difference whatsoever to how hard we work. If anything it is used as a way for school leaders to manage out a very small number of underperforming / awkward staff, but there should be other ways of doing this without adding stress and bureaucracy to new teachers who are generally working hard anyway.
I say all this as a secondary teacher and a Labour Party member, make of that what you will. To be honest Labour hardly ever mention secondary education, it’s all Sure Start and adult learning.
Are we including University Education in that?The new GCSEs are both more challenging and less open to manipulation as there’s no coursework. Moreover, the content itself is better, with, for example, a return to some traditional texts in English Literature and the EBACC as a benchmark of a rounded academic education including a humanity and a language.
Lastly, the general atmosphere has shifted so that teaching itself has increasingly seen a return to traditional pedagogies and an acceptance that discipline in schools is important. These are the things that actually help social mobility most as it allows students from all backgrounds to access.
It has not been all good. I honestly think performance related pay for teachers has been an absolute nonsense. It’s attempting to force accountability into something that, at the individual teacher level, is affected by too much by things out of a teachers’ control. Also, I just don’t think that for me of any of my colleagues it makes any difference whatsoever to how hard we work. If anything it is used as a way for school leaders to manage out a very small number of underperforming / awkward staff, but there should be other ways of doing this without adding stress and bureaucracy to new teachers who are generally working hard anyway.
I say all this as a secondary teacher and a Labour Party member, make of that what you will. To be honest Labour hardly ever mention secondary education, it’s all Sure Start and adult learning.
Compared to our peers the system that we employ is terrible.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
In the same way the years of Blair/Labour are judged on one issue, the Iraq war, and nothing else seems to matter, the Tory govts of Cameron/May/Johnson will be judged on Brexit, and the disaster that turned out to be, and how it led to the breakup of the Union.
au contraire , It did look bad for our independence when May and that Robbins t
t were colluding with the EU, but fair play under Borris they really seem to have a firm grip
on getting brexit sorted out ,
And I doubt the union will break up , the Jockaneese know which side there bread is buttered , they won't want to be be victims whatever the SNP want them to think they are !!
jamoor said:
They have been in power for a decade now. I am struggling to think of anything positive.
Budget cuts, austerity, police cuts- was all of this necessary?
Then we had the whole Brexit thing which has been handled terribly.
We had the wind rush scandal and the unpleasant environment for immigrant and the hostile immigration policies.
Now a breakup of the union seems to be on the horizon.
Can anyone think of any positives?
Why did you vote for them, then? It's your fault! Innit?Budget cuts, austerity, police cuts- was all of this necessary?
Then we had the whole Brexit thing which has been handled terribly.
We had the wind rush scandal and the unpleasant environment for immigrant and the hostile immigration policies.
Now a breakup of the union seems to be on the horizon.
Can anyone think of any positives?
Sorry? What did you say? You didn't vote for them - you voted for that nice Mr Corbyn - is that what you are saying?
Then it's still your fault. I am sure that I don't need to explain - do I?
In the main it was the least worse option.
Traditionally Labour gives everything away, it’s much more populist in its measures and appeals to the employees more. The trouble is although you would love to live in an utopia world with social, medical care, etc it is just not sustainable on the western model of governments. Thinking employers will always pay the bill or that the state will always provide is not only disingenuous, it’s also really selfish. One should be able to take some (all) responsibility for ones life not just live in the hope someone else will sort their life.
Saying this, due to COVID this story government has been the most close to labour government a Tory could be. The concern is that the state of the Treasury is bad... let a traditional Labour government get in now it will be indeed the nail in the coffin.
I will say under Stammer Labour has become a more serious party but early days... let the tires see this mess through... then in a few years perhaps we will have a balanced, serious Labour Party that could win a general election.
Traditionally Labour gives everything away, it’s much more populist in its measures and appeals to the employees more. The trouble is although you would love to live in an utopia world with social, medical care, etc it is just not sustainable on the western model of governments. Thinking employers will always pay the bill or that the state will always provide is not only disingenuous, it’s also really selfish. One should be able to take some (all) responsibility for ones life not just live in the hope someone else will sort their life.
Saying this, due to COVID this story government has been the most close to labour government a Tory could be. The concern is that the state of the Treasury is bad... let a traditional Labour government get in now it will be indeed the nail in the coffin.
I will say under Stammer Labour has become a more serious party but early days... let the tires see this mess through... then in a few years perhaps we will have a balanced, serious Labour Party that could win a general election.
jamoor said:
Saying they’re better than the labour isn’t really a thing that they have done for us surely?
I was thinking actual measurable things which only a couple of posters have mentioned so far.
I’m starting to think there are few.
Well, we keep telling you.I was thinking actual measurable things which only a couple of posters have mentioned so far.
I’m starting to think there are few.
No, they haven't done anything for us. Nor were they likely to.
They were the least worst option.
Not the best, the least worst.
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