CV19 - Cure worse than the disease? (Vol 4)
Discussion
Our periodic reminder for this newest volume of the thread:
Yes, the cure is, and always has been, much worse than the disease could ever have been. This is not the benefit of hindsight. This thread was in motion before the UK lockdown started, when it was already obvious that setting fire to the economy was always going to bring a worse long term outcome than CV could threaten.
And in today's instalment of "politicians and the broadcast media failing to understand maths", some charts:
Yes, the cure is, and always has been, much worse than the disease could ever have been. This is not the benefit of hindsight. This thread was in motion before the UK lockdown started, when it was already obvious that setting fire to the economy was always going to bring a worse long term outcome than CV could threaten.
And in today's instalment of "politicians and the broadcast media failing to understand maths", some charts:
I'm starting to think the only way out of this mess is for the Government to release a placebo vaccine. The benefits of this is.
1. It wont harm anyone
2. Appear to be 99.9 successful (because most of the population are fine anyway)
3. Cheap to produce
4. Give a massive boast to the bedwetters and get the country back on track
5. Be able to also successfully sell it to other countries and make revenue
6. No side effects
7. Appear to be world leaders in this field.
Pocty
1. It wont harm anyone
2. Appear to be 99.9 successful (because most of the population are fine anyway)
3. Cheap to produce
4. Give a massive boast to the bedwetters and get the country back on track
5. Be able to also successfully sell it to other countries and make revenue
6. No side effects
7. Appear to be world leaders in this field.
Pocty
pocty said:
I'm starting to think the only way out of this mess is for the Government to release a placebo vaccine. The benefits of this is.
1. It wont harm anyone
2. Appear to be 99.9 successful (because most of the population are fine anyway)
3. Cheap to produce
4. Give a massive boast to the bedwetters and get the country back on track
5. Be able to also successfully sell it to other countries and make revenue
6. No side effects
7. Appear to be world leaders in this field.
Pocty
There will be a significant number of people who refuse the vaccine. I suspect the percentage will be far higher than suggested so far.1. It wont harm anyone
2. Appear to be 99.9 successful (because most of the population are fine anyway)
3. Cheap to produce
4. Give a massive boast to the bedwetters and get the country back on track
5. Be able to also successfully sell it to other countries and make revenue
6. No side effects
7. Appear to be world leaders in this field.
Pocty
scottyp123 said:
Stay in Bed Instead said:
What's the UK's graph look like?
I'd like to see it as well but I'm sure I already know the answer anyway. Ahhh - I am finally allowed to post on here.
After being banned for NO REASON in the Vol . 3 thread.
While obvious trolls like Sambucket are allowed to post freely.
Elysium, I want to say again throughout I think you have maintained a very good position, of data driven opinion and facts to back this up. I very much appreciate you providing your time to make/find these graphs etc.
The stats I read on another thread, about how 50% of people would happily have their kids home schooled for life, and 80% of people would support lockdowns etc, is genuinely scary, and honestly, I hate to say it, but a majority of these are sheeple.
- They have not looked at the statistics
- They do not understand risk analysis
- They do not even understand they're more likely to die in a car accident than WITH cv-19
Honestly, a very, very scary situation. Great for the Government though.......really shows, all this negative press, mandatory face masks, and news bulletins saying it's a silent killer and such.
I bet none of them know that they've most likely already been infected with it, or that their local hospitals are sitting EMPTY and un-used while genuinely sick people are not getting the medical treatment they deserve.
The only way to get out this is for a major press story to cover things like risk, IFR and the fact hospitals are empty, and be spear-headed by a well liked person who the people can "relate to".
After being banned for NO REASON in the Vol . 3 thread.
While obvious trolls like Sambucket are allowed to post freely.
Elysium, I want to say again throughout I think you have maintained a very good position, of data driven opinion and facts to back this up. I very much appreciate you providing your time to make/find these graphs etc.
The stats I read on another thread, about how 50% of people would happily have their kids home schooled for life, and 80% of people would support lockdowns etc, is genuinely scary, and honestly, I hate to say it, but a majority of these are sheeple.
- They have not looked at the statistics
- They do not understand risk analysis
- They do not even understand they're more likely to die in a car accident than WITH cv-19
Honestly, a very, very scary situation. Great for the Government though.......really shows, all this negative press, mandatory face masks, and news bulletins saying it's a silent killer and such.
I bet none of them know that they've most likely already been infected with it, or that their local hospitals are sitting EMPTY and un-used while genuinely sick people are not getting the medical treatment they deserve.
The only way to get out this is for a major press story to cover things like risk, IFR and the fact hospitals are empty, and be spear-headed by a well liked person who the people can "relate to".
Edited by xjay1337 on Sunday 16th August 13:42
xjay1337 said:
Ahhh - I am finally allowed to post on here.
After being banned for NO REASON.
While obvious trolls like Sambucket are allowed to post freely.
Elysium, I want to say again throughout I think you have maintained a very good position, of data driven opinion and facts to back this up. I very much appreciate you providing your time to make/find these graphs etc.
ill second that Elysium is the beacon of light guiding us through this thread.... measured responses and no drama.... factual and not fractualAfter being banned for NO REASON.
While obvious trolls like Sambucket are allowed to post freely.
Elysium, I want to say again throughout I think you have maintained a very good position, of data driven opinion and facts to back this up. I very much appreciate you providing your time to make/find these graphs etc.
V1nce Fox said:
pocty said:
I'm starting to think the only way out of this mess is for the Government to release a placebo vaccine. The benefits of this is.
1. It wont harm anyone
2. Appear to be 99.9 successful (because most of the population are fine anyway)
3. Cheap to produce
4. Give a massive boast to the bedwetters and get the country back on track
5. Be able to also successfully sell it to other countries and make revenue
6. No side effects
7. Appear to be world leaders in this field.
Pocty
There will be a significant number of people who refuse the vaccine. I suspect the percentage will be far higher than suggested so far.1. It wont harm anyone
2. Appear to be 99.9 successful (because most of the population are fine anyway)
3. Cheap to produce
4. Give a massive boast to the bedwetters and get the country back on track
5. Be able to also successfully sell it to other countries and make revenue
6. No side effects
7. Appear to be world leaders in this field.
Pocty
Remember it only has to be as successful as the flu vaccine and we all know how successful that is right.
Pocty
spookly said:
scottyp123 said:
Stay in Bed Instead said:
What's the UK's graph look like?
I'd like to see it as well but I'm sure I already know the answer anyway. pocty said:
V1nce Fox said:
pocty said:
I'm starting to think the only way out of this mess is for the Government to release a placebo vaccine. The benefits of this is.
1. It wont harm anyone
2. Appear to be 99.9 successful (because most of the population are fine anyway)
3. Cheap to produce
4. Give a massive boast to the bedwetters and get the country back on track
5. Be able to also successfully sell it to other countries and make revenue
6. No side effects
7. Appear to be world leaders in this field.
Pocty
There will be a significant number of people who refuse the vaccine. I suspect the percentage will be far higher than suggested so far.1. It wont harm anyone
2. Appear to be 99.9 successful (because most of the population are fine anyway)
3. Cheap to produce
4. Give a massive boast to the bedwetters and get the country back on track
5. Be able to also successfully sell it to other countries and make revenue
6. No side effects
7. Appear to be world leaders in this field.
Pocty
Remember it only has to be as successful as the flu vaccine and we all know how successful that is right.
Pocty
sambucket said:
xjay1337 said:
Ahhh - I am finally allowed to post on here.
After being banned for NO REASON in the Vol . 3 thread.
While obvious trolls like Sambucket are allowed to post freely.
Hmm, I don't know, what did they ban email say? Bullying maybe? After being banned for NO REASON in the Vol . 3 thread.
While obvious trolls like Sambucket are allowed to post freely.
Oh well.
scottyp123 said:
spookly said:
scottyp123 said:
Stay in Bed Instead said:
What's the UK's graph look like?
I'd like to see it as well but I'm sure I already know the answer anyway. 
Just had a go I think it looks like this.
Pocty
pocty said:
I'm starting to think the only way out of this mess is for the Government to release a placebo vaccine. The benefits of this is.
1. It wont harm anyone
2. Appear to be 99.9 successful (because most of the population are fine anyway)
3. Cheap to produce
4. Give a massive boast to the bedwetters and get the country back on track
5. Be able to also successfully sell it to other countries and make revenue
6. No side effects
7. Appear to be world leaders in this field.
Pocty
I agree, to be honest if a vaccine appears in the next few months it wouldn't surprise me if it was a placebo anyway1. It wont harm anyone
2. Appear to be 99.9 successful (because most of the population are fine anyway)
3. Cheap to produce
4. Give a massive boast to the bedwetters and get the country back on track
5. Be able to also successfully sell it to other countries and make revenue
6. No side effects
7. Appear to be world leaders in this field.
Pocty
B'stard Child said:
Strange that the scales change but the overall pattern remains remarkably similar
I quite like the USA heat maps, as you get a better sense of age distribution. You can see that older infections lag about 3 weeks behind the more mobile young. I would guess the initial peak looked similar, but there was less testing of the young?
B'stard Child said:
Strange that the scales change but the overall pattern remains remarkably similar
For comparisons, it would be best if the scales were the same, however it would just make the Holland graph almost unusable in comparison to the France or Spain one. Whilst the Y-axis scales are just practical limits, for the sake of defending against those who would deliberately misconstrue data, the scales should be the same.
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