Porsche launches investigation into suspected engine manipul
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https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-volkswagen-porsc...
Quelle surprise, VAG don't really hold ethics high up on their agenda.
Quelle surprise, VAG don't really hold ethics high up on their agenda.
Greg Kable tweeted about this yesterday evening
‘Germany's SWR (Südwestrundfunk) reports @Audi is under investigation for possible exhaust gas manipulation in PETROL (gasoline) models. It claims to have information suggesting Audi used a steering wheel sensor to manipulate exhaust gas testing of a 2015 Q5 TFSI 2.0.‘
https://twitter.com/gregkable/status/1296863523151...
Different engine to that used by Porsche, but quite possibly shared the same or similar software
‘Germany's SWR (Südwestrundfunk) reports @Audi is under investigation for possible exhaust gas manipulation in PETROL (gasoline) models. It claims to have information suggesting Audi used a steering wheel sensor to manipulate exhaust gas testing of a 2015 Q5 TFSI 2.0.‘
https://twitter.com/gregkable/status/1296863523151...
Different engine to that used by Porsche, but quite possibly shared the same or similar software
Think you will find they were all doing the same, doesnt matter what manufacture it is, diesels are crap. I am guessing the Japanese are deemed most reliable because they mostly sell NA/hybrid petrol cars and not diesels. Germans do know how to make a good diesel though, I am on 200k miles and not even had to change the clutch and still getting 60mpg from a 170tdi engine and still no oil consumption between VERY LATE service intervals
In a few million years, civilisation will have evolved into something completely different, give it more time and humans will either have become extinct, or evolved into something else. In 200 or more million years in the future, the continental configurations will be different, the climate will be different and it will probably be totally unrecognisable. It is very probable that the planet will be teeming with life.
Why we give a s
t about diesel engines and all of this environmental hair shirt nonsense is beyond me. In the big scheme of things, it's not even a fart
Why we give a s
t about diesel engines and all of this environmental hair shirt nonsense is beyond me. In the big scheme of things, it's not even a fart Leithen said:
It seems like most manufacturers were at it. Mercedes etc. It must have been the industry’s dirty little secret.
It does seem like it. Governments put in regulations for emissions without any technical understanding of how engines work, so manufacturers of bigger engined vehicles that can't make those new regulations fudge it to make the grade and continue selling.Tryke3 said:
Think you will find they were all doing the same, doesnt matter what manufacture it is, diesels are crap. I am guessing the Japanese are deemed most reliable because they mostly sell NA/hybrid petrol cars and not diesels. Germans do know how to make a good diesel though, I am on 200k miles and not even had to change the clutch and still getting 60mpg from a 170tdi engine and still no oil consumption between VERY LATE service intervals
Psittaciformes Required.I was just expecting to be a diesel, guessing petrols are the same with dpfs and other cleaning technologies. I am in the market for a new car and cant find anything over 150bhp with a manual gearbox and I am doing enough miles that a petrol would be a considerable expense ... looking at hybrid rav4 but I'm not spending 40k on rav4 ffs
Tryke3 said:
I was just expecting to be a diesel, guessing petrols are the same with dpfs and other cleaning technologies. I am in the market for a new car and cant find anything over 150bhp with a manual gearbox and I am doing enough miles that a petrol would be a considerable expense ... looking at hybrid rav4 but I'm not spending 40k on rav4 ffs
A petrol car won’t have a dpf, there’s a clue in the name. 
As a foretaste of the likely outcome of any German legal investigation into a German national champion business, consider the recent instructive tale of Wirecard.
Wirecard is a German business in payment processing - the bit your credit card talks to when you punch in your PIN. It grew from a startup to a major company on the stock exchange.
Some hedge funds took a detailed look at its historical accounts and called it a fraud. People mostly went meh, because hedge funds are not neutral observers.
The funds talked to the press. The Financial Times was intrigued enough to do its own investigation. They decided the funds were right, published a story, and wrote to the German financial regulator to present their findings and warn them that Wirecard was dodgy.
The regulator read the info, did some research, and proceeded to bring a legal case against....the Financial Times.
Yep, the German state financial regulator sued the planet's most respected business newspaper for having the temerity to call into question the behaviour of a German national champion business.
And lost. Wirecard filed for bankruptcy earlier in the summer.
Wirecard is a German business in payment processing - the bit your credit card talks to when you punch in your PIN. It grew from a startup to a major company on the stock exchange.
Some hedge funds took a detailed look at its historical accounts and called it a fraud. People mostly went meh, because hedge funds are not neutral observers.
The funds talked to the press. The Financial Times was intrigued enough to do its own investigation. They decided the funds were right, published a story, and wrote to the German financial regulator to present their findings and warn them that Wirecard was dodgy.
The regulator read the info, did some research, and proceeded to bring a legal case against....the Financial Times.
Yep, the German state financial regulator sued the planet's most respected business newspaper for having the temerity to call into question the behaviour of a German national champion business.
And lost. Wirecard filed for bankruptcy earlier in the summer.
Newc said:
As a foretaste of the likely outcome of any German legal investigation into a German national champion business, consider the recent instructive tale of Wirecard.
Wirecard is a German business in payment processing - the bit your credit card talks to when you punch in your PIN. It grew from a startup to a major company on the stock exchange.
Some hedge funds took a detailed look at its historical accounts and called it a fraud. People mostly went meh, because hedge funds are not neutral observers.
The funds talked to the press. The Financial Times was intrigued enough to do its own investigation. They decided the funds were right, published a story, and wrote to the German financial regulator to present their findings and warn them that Wirecard was dodgy.
The regulator read the info, did some research, and proceeded to bring a legal case against....the Financial Times.
Yep, the German state financial regulator sued the planet's most respected business newspaper for having the temerity to call into question the behaviour of a German national champion business.
And lost. Wirecard filed for bankruptcy earlier in the summer.
Absolutely spot on. IIRC even the German finance minister was saying how Wirecard’s financials were sound right before the CEO was arrested for fraud.Wirecard is a German business in payment processing - the bit your credit card talks to when you punch in your PIN. It grew from a startup to a major company on the stock exchange.
Some hedge funds took a detailed look at its historical accounts and called it a fraud. People mostly went meh, because hedge funds are not neutral observers.
The funds talked to the press. The Financial Times was intrigued enough to do its own investigation. They decided the funds were right, published a story, and wrote to the German financial regulator to present their findings and warn them that Wirecard was dodgy.
The regulator read the info, did some research, and proceeded to bring a legal case against....the Financial Times.
Yep, the German state financial regulator sued the planet's most respected business newspaper for having the temerity to call into question the behaviour of a German national champion business.
And lost. Wirecard filed for bankruptcy earlier in the summer.
US hedge funds have taken to calling Germany’s financial hub, Moscow am Maine.
Mining Subsidence Man said:
In a few million years, civilisation will have evolved into something completely different, give it more time and humans will either have become extinct, or evolved into something else. In 200 or more million years in the future, the continental configurations will be different, the climate will be different and it will probably be totally unrecognisable. It is very probable that the planet will be teeming with life.
Why we give a st about diesel engines and all of this environmental hair shirt nonsense is beyond me. In the big scheme of things, it's not even a fart
Try here. Why we give a s
t about diesel engines and all of this environmental hair shirt nonsense is beyond me. In the big scheme of things, it's not even a fart https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Mining Subsidence Man said:
In a few million years, civilisation will have evolved into something completely different, give it more time and humans will either have become extinct, or evolved into something else. In 200 or more million years in the future, the continental configurations will be different, the climate will be different and it will probably be totally unrecognisable. It is very probable that the planet will be teeming with life.
Why we give a st about diesel engines and all of this environmental hair shirt nonsense is beyond me. In the big scheme of things, it's not even a fart
You could literally use the same argument against any action of any kind.Why we give a s
t about diesel engines and all of this environmental hair shirt nonsense is beyond me. In the big scheme of things, it's not even a fart Why give a s
t about changing anything? In the greater scheme of things we are inconsequential right?I’m just off to give my kids the good news.
Iamnotkloot said:
Absolutely spot on. IIRC even the German finance minister was saying how Wirecard’s financials were sound right before the CEO was arrested for fraud.
US hedge funds have taken to calling Germany’s financial hub, Moscow am Maine.
Steady. The new financial centre of the known universe will be in Germany soon.US hedge funds have taken to calling Germany’s financial hub, Moscow am Maine.
Or France, that other stalwart.
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