Massive fire in Lesbos holding pen
Discussion
Reported in National news today, a major fire has ripped through the refugee camp in Lesbos. No reports as yet regards death & injuries within the tens of thousands who live in what passes to be a humane refugee camp. The filth and squalor these people lived in is shocking, makes the illegal immigrants camps in France look positively comfortable.
Perhaps the fire was set deliberately in order to bring the camp back to international prominence and further shame the EU?
Perhaps the fire was set deliberately in order to bring the camp back to international prominence and further shame the EU?
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hstewie said:
hstewie said: 13,000 people left without shelter and your first thought is it might have been done to shame the EU.
Classy.
Notice that I was the only poster to raise the issue of the. people in the refugee camp in Lesbos. If you read my post you may notice that I am unable to offer detail regards loss of life or injury to those in the encampment (shows interest In their well being.Classy.
If you care to look back into my posting history over the past two years you will see how I have brought the issue of the EU refusal to adequately help the refugees, and that lack of help continues.
The shame is definitely on the EU political class regarding the issue, shame on you for not recognising it as such. Double surprise that you are such an advocate for the care of illegal immigrants entering the EU yet fail to post a positive or helpful response in my OP.
You may belch feigned support for illegals entering the U.K. but the wider issues seem to escape you?
Edited by crankedup on Wednesday 9th September 17:20
coolg said:
I assume they burnt ti down themselves - they have set it on fire before.
If you burn down a free house somebody gave you, i would suggest you sleep out in the open then.
Yes, I did say that in my OP, and who could blame them tbh. How the EU and UN have stood back If you burn down a free house somebody gave you, i would suggest you sleep out in the open then.
for years and watched this situation fester is shameful. The one saving grace from the fire is that it will have burnt through some of the disease rampant in the camp, but I doubt it will have done anything against Covid 19.
Many were sleeping in the open, well under a tarpaulin, how they must envy the illegals that cross into the U.K. where a 4 star hotel awaits.
crankedup said:
Yes, I did say that in my OP, and who could blame them tbh. How the EU and UN have stood back
for years and watched this situation fester is shameful. The one saving grace from the fire is that it will have burnt through some of the disease rampant in the camp, but I doubt it will have done anything against Covid 19.
Many were sleeping in the open, well under a tarpaulin, how they must envy the illegals that cross into the U.K. where a 4 star hotel awaits.
Which would suggest they have chosen the UK as they get "more" than they would in Greece ? for years and watched this situation fester is shameful. The one saving grace from the fire is that it will have burnt through some of the disease rampant in the camp, but I doubt it will have done anything against Covid 19.
Many were sleeping in the open, well under a tarpaulin, how they must envy the illegals that cross into the U.K. where a 4 star hotel awaits.
It would be interesting to see what they left behind in Turkey to come to Europe, if they had a tent / accommodation and they gave that up for a tarpaulin on a Greek island.
coolg said:
crankedup said:
Yes, I did say that in my OP, and who could blame them tbh. How the EU and UN have stood back
for years and watched this situation fester is shameful. The one saving grace from the fire is that it will have burnt through some of the disease rampant in the camp, but I doubt it will have done anything against Covid 19.
Many were sleeping in the open, well under a tarpaulin, how they must envy the illegals that cross into the U.K. where a 4 star hotel awaits.
Which would suggest they have chosen the UK as they get "more" than they would in Greece ? for years and watched this situation fester is shameful. The one saving grace from the fire is that it will have burnt through some of the disease rampant in the camp, but I doubt it will have done anything against Covid 19.
Many were sleeping in the open, well under a tarpaulin, how they must envy the illegals that cross into the U.K. where a 4 star hotel awaits.
It would be interesting to see what they left behind in Turkey to come to Europe, if they had a tent / accommodation and they gave that up for a tarpaulin on a Greek island.
The people waiting in France to enter the U.K. have journeyed from Syria and intend to take advantage of people smugglers and enter U.K. illegally.
The two groups are distinct in that the Syrian young men have money and seek a better life in the Country of their choice. The second group have fled a war zone seeking a safe haven.
crankedup said:
Apparently the vast majority of the refugees in Lesbos have come in from Afghanistan, many are woman and kids.
The people waiting in France to enter the U.K. have journeyed from Syria and intend to take advantage of people smugglers and enter U.K. illegally.
The two groups are distinct in that the Syrian young men have money and seek a better life in the Country of their choice. The second group have fled a war zone seeking a safe haven.
They have all got to the islands via turkey, that is a long way from Afghanistan to find a safe haven. The people waiting in France to enter the U.K. have journeyed from Syria and intend to take advantage of people smugglers and enter U.K. illegally.
The two groups are distinct in that the Syrian young men have money and seek a better life in the Country of their choice. The second group have fled a war zone seeking a safe haven.
coolg said:
crankedup said:
Apparently the vast majority of the refugees in Lesbos have come in from Afghanistan, many are woman and kids.
The people waiting in France to enter the U.K. have journeyed from Syria and intend to take advantage of people smugglers and enter U.K. illegally.
The two groups are distinct in that the Syrian young men have money and seek a better life in the Country of their choice. The second group have fled a war zone seeking a safe haven.
They have all got to the islands via turkey, that is a long way from Afghanistan to find a safe haven. The people waiting in France to enter the U.K. have journeyed from Syria and intend to take advantage of people smugglers and enter U.K. illegally.
The two groups are distinct in that the Syrian young men have money and seek a better life in the Country of their choice. The second group have fled a war zone seeking a safe haven.
Turkey is not considered to be a safe haven for these refugees.
At least the EU have supported Greece with cash to assist with the cost of ‘housing’ the refugees.
What is the argument you have about the situation, if you could spell it out please.
Bacon Is Proof said:
coolg said:
They have all got to the islands via turkey, that is a long way from Afghanistan to find a safe haven.
Well if you're travelling by land there is only one country between Afghan and Turkey, should they have sought sanctuary there?Ps. that country is Iran.
Iran is another muslim country and not at War.
Pakistan is not at war and is Muslim
Most of the "stans" are muslim
People can move East North South, they don't have to move to the west.
crankedup said:
coolg said:
I assume they burnt ti down themselves - they have set it on fire before.
If you burn down a free house somebody gave you, i would suggest you sleep out in the open then.
Yes, I did say that in my OP, and who could blame them tbh. How the EU and UN have stood back If you burn down a free house somebody gave you, i would suggest you sleep out in the open then.
for years and watched this situation fester is shameful. The one saving grace from the fire is that it will have burnt through some of the disease rampant in the camp, but I doubt it will have done anything against Covid 19.
Many were sleeping in the open, well under a tarpaulin, how they must envy the illegals that cross into the U.K. where a 4 star hotel awaits.
Why is it the responsibility of the EU to shelter populations oppressed by lunatic dictators, whilst we all share this ball of rock many countries have, through quite serious sacrifice, sorted their corner out.
I disagree quite strongly with the US and us becoming involved in conflicts which really don't affect us.
The majority of the terrorist attacks in the last 20 years have been about us and others meddling in peoples local disputes so suggesting we have a responsibility to shelter, house and fund people displaced from regions we are stopped for moral reasons from meddling seems a tad strong.
I agree we should as a society do what we can to assist people displaced by said lunatics, suggesting it is a responsibility we have is IMHO incorrect, how would you feel if the bailiffs turned up at your door to repossess your car for not giving enough to charity?
stitched said:
crankedup said:
coolg said:
I assume they burnt ti down themselves - they have set it on fire before.
If you burn down a free house somebody gave you, i would suggest you sleep out in the open then.
Yes, I did say that in my OP, and who could blame them tbh. How the EU and UN have stood back If you burn down a free house somebody gave you, i would suggest you sleep out in the open then.
for years and watched this situation fester is shameful. The one saving grace from the fire is that it will have burnt through some of the disease rampant in the camp, but I doubt it will have done anything against Covid 19.
Many were sleeping in the open, well under a tarpaulin, how they must envy the illegals that cross into the U.K. where a 4 star hotel awaits.
Why is it the responsibility of the EU to shelter populations oppressed by lunatic dictators, whilst we all share this ball of rock many countries have, through quite serious sacrifice, sorted their corner out.
I disagree quite strongly with the US and us becoming involved in conflicts which really don't affect us.
The majority of the terrorist attacks in the last 20 years have been about us and others meddling in peoples local disputes so suggesting we have a responsibility to shelter, house and fund people displaced from regions we are stopped for moral reasons from meddling seems a tad strong.
I agree we should as a society do what we can to assist people displaced by said lunatics, suggesting it is a responsibility we have is IMHO incorrect, how would you feel if the bailiffs turned up at your door to repossess your car for not giving enough to charity?
As the old saying ‘with great power comes great responsibility’, in this instance a responsibility to, as you mention, those suffering through no fault of their own.
I find it astonishing that a political organisation talks in terms of building its own army but can not assist refugees.
coolg said:
Bacon Is Proof said:
coolg said:
They have all got to the islands via turkey, that is a long way from Afghanistan to find a safe haven.
Well if you're travelling by land there is only one country between Afghan and Turkey, should they have sought sanctuary there?Ps. that country is Iran.
Iran is another muslim country and not at War.
Pakistan is not at war and is Muslim
Most of the "stans" are muslim
People can move East North South, they don't have to move to the west.
WJNB said:
Dreadful sad story.
The UK should step in & offer all those poor people a home in our increasingly empty shops & department stores. Offer them jobs cleaning our streets, picking fruit & vegetables & all the jobs many of our own population would never deign to do.
Political point scoring aside. The U.K. has taken in a quota of refugees several years running, also the U.K. donates a very significant sum of money every year in the form of foreign aid.The UK should step in & offer all those poor people a home in our increasingly empty shops & department stores. Offer them jobs cleaning our streets, picking fruit & vegetables & all the jobs many of our own population would never deign to do.
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