Moving to eu before 31/12/2020
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philv

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5,146 posts

238 months

Tuesday 15th September 2020
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Hi,

contemplating moving to the eu before end of year.

According to withdrawl agreement, anyone doing so before end of year will have same rights as before.
Right to work, heslthcare, etc etc.

The question is .

if i move to Austria for example.
Can i then move to another eu country later on and still maintain my rights within the eu?
Or is it only in Austria, with no rights to freely move to another eu country and maintain all the eu rights?

Thnks

RedWhiteMonkey

8,734 posts

206 months

Tuesday 15th September 2020
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philv said:
Hi,

contemplating moving to the eu before end of year.

According to withdrawl agreement, anyone doing so before end of year will have same rights as before.
Right to work, heslthcare, etc etc.

The question is .

if i move to Austria for example.
Can i then move to another eu country later on and still maintain my rights within the eu?
Or is it only in Austria, with no rights to freely move to another eu country and maintain all the eu rights?

Thnks
As far as I understand it the rights do not transfer to another EU country. To qualify for the right to remain you will (amongst other things) require valid employment in that country and have sufficient resources and valid health insurance. Do you have those?

https://ec.europa.eu/info/european-union-and-unite...

philv

Original Poster:

5,146 posts

238 months

Tuesday 15th September 2020
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RedWhiteMonkey said:
philv said:
Hi,

contemplating moving to the eu before end of year.

According to withdrawl agreement, anyone doing so before end of year will have same rights as before.
Right to work, heslthcare, etc etc.

The question is .

if i move to Austria for example.
Can i then move to another eu country later on and still maintain my rights within the eu?
Or is it only in Austria, with no rights to freely move to another eu country and maintain all the eu rights?

Thnks
As far as I understand it the rights do not transfer to another EU country. To qualify for the right to remain you will (amongst other things) require valid employment in that country and have sufficient resources and valid health insurance. Do you have those?

https://ec.europa.eu/info/european-union-and-unite...
No employment, nor health insurance.

I was under the impression that if i moved to Austria for example before end of the year, i would have same rights after end of year as i do now.

anonymous-user

78 months

Tuesday 15th September 2020
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Why to the EU, for a specific job, to a specific country or particularly just to become 'an E.U citizen'?

RedWhiteMonkey

8,734 posts

206 months

Tuesday 15th September 2020
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philv said:
No employment, nor health insurance.

I was under the impression that if i moved to Austria for example before end of the year, i would have same rights after end of year as i do now.
I don't think you'd qualify then (I am happy to be corrected, my opinion is just based on what I've read, I make no claims to be a legal expert on this).

Out of interest, how are you planning to live in Austria without a job or health insurance? Can you speak the language?

philv

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Tuesday 15th September 2020
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RedWhiteMonkey said:
philv said:
No employment, nor health insurance.

I was under the impression that if i moved to Austria for example before end of the year, i would have same rights after end of year as i do now.
I don't think you'd qualify then (I am happy to be corrected, my opinion is just based on what I've read, I make no claims to be a legal expert on this).

Out of interest, how are you planning to live in Austria without a job or health insurance?
I have other income.

I do not work due to dissability.

RedWhiteMonkey

8,734 posts

206 months

Tuesday 15th September 2020
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philv said:
I have other income.

I do not work due to dissability.
Not having health insurance is likely to be a big problem then. Do you speak the language?

dan98

996 posts

137 months

Tuesday 15th September 2020
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You can still move there now - do it quick!
Lock down your fixed residence before the end of the year to avoid any worries later.
Not sure on the Austrian rules, but Germany requires health insurance for all residents. Worry about that later, there are many ways to sort it - main thing is to get over there and registered.

After Brexit you won't be able to move to another country freely in the way you are now, unless you become an Austrian / EU citizen, or they bring in some new agreement.

philv

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Tuesday 15th September 2020
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RedWhiteMonkey said:
philv said:
I have other income.

I do not work due to dissability.
Not having health insurance is likely to be a big problem then. Do you speak the language?
My partner works there.
As such i can have health insurance and rights through her.

But i had hoped i could get them myself.

it seems i cannot.
i can have all the rights and health and free movement, but only with her as she is an eu citizen.

Blackpuddin

19,079 posts

229 months

Tuesday 15th September 2020
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I wonder what the rules on moving to the EU will be like next year. Presumably you will still be able to do it one way or another, in the same way that people moved to other countries before the EU was even thought of?

RedWhiteMonkey

8,734 posts

206 months

Tuesday 15th September 2020
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philv said:
My partner works there.
As such i can have health insurance and rights through her.
Are you 100% on that? I cannot say for Austria but I know that does not work in Germany, you need to get health insurance based on your own circumstances. I sounds odd that you could turn up to a doctors in Austria and present someone else's health insurance card?

I suspect that what you actually mean by partner is very important to. Is she your legally married wife or just a girlfriend? There is a massive legal difference, maybe time for a shotgun wedding.

Do you speak the language?

philv

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238 months

Tuesday 15th September 2020
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dan98 said:
You can still move there now - do it quick!
Lock down your fixed residence before the end of the year to avoid any worries later.
Not sure on the Austrian rules, but Germany requires health insurance for all residents. Worry about that later, there are many ways to sort it - main thing is to get over there and registered.

After Brexit you won't be able to move to another country freely in the way you are now, unless you become an Austrian / EU citizen, or they bring in some new agreement.
My partner is in Austria and i have a child in france.

I can't move to France but i can to austria.

I have accommodation for a few months arranged in austria.
I am there now, so can register.

The health insurance is a biggy.

And whether they let me stay.

RedWhiteMonkey

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206 months

Tuesday 15th September 2020
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Blackpuddin said:
I wonder what the rules on moving to the EU will be like next year. Presumably you will still be able to do it one way or another, in the same way that people moved to other countries before the EU was even thought of?
Very simply you would just have to apply and meet the critieria of whatever country you are looking at, effectively no different to moving to somewhere like Australia, Canada, etc.

philv

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Tuesday 15th September 2020
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RedWhiteMonkey said:
philv said:
My partner works there.
As such i can have health insurance and rights through her.
Are you 100% on that? I cannot say for Austria but I know that does not work in Germany, you need to get health insurance based on your own circumstances. I sounds odd that you could turn up to a doctors in Austria and present someone else's health insurance card?

I suspect that what you actually mean by partner is very important to. Is she your legally married wife or just a girlfriend? There is a massive legal difference, maybe time for a shotgun wedding.

Do you speak the language?
Eu law says that a partner, married or not, is entitled to same healthcare as the eu national.

i had this through a french girlfriend in France many years ago.

Just started learning german

dan98

996 posts

137 months

Tuesday 15th September 2020
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philv said:
My partner is in Austria and i have a child in france.

I can't move to France but i can to austria.

I have accommodation for a few months arranged in austria.
I am there now, so can register.

The health insurance is a biggy.

And whether they let me stay.
In Germany you can claim state health insurance if you don't have an income.
I bought international health insurance which is recognised by the German (and probably Austrian) authorities.

RedWhiteMonkey

8,734 posts

206 months

Tuesday 15th September 2020
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philv said:
Eu law says that a partner, married or not, is entitled to same healthcare as the eu national.

i had this through a french girlfriend in France many years ago.

Just started learning german
Good luck with the German, I found it quite tough to learn but got there in the end.

Perhaps these links are of use:

https://www.bundeskanzleramt.gv.at/en/topics/brexi...

https://www.bundeskanzleramt.gv.at/en/topics/brexi...

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/living-in-austria

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/living-in-europe

From my quick scan of them, you can move there without problem before the end of the transistion period and have until the middle of next year to apply to legitimise your residency. As I think you know the big problem you are going to have is getting health insurance, which I think you need to legitimise residency.

RedWhiteMonkey

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206 months

Tuesday 15th September 2020
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dan98 said:
In Germany you can claim state health insurance if you don't have an income.
Yes, but part of the residency requirements after the transistion period is having gainful employment or an acceptable source of income, which would somewhat scupper state health insurance.

Mrr T

14,880 posts

289 months

Tuesday 15th September 2020
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philv said:
My partner is in Austria and i have a child in france.

I can't move to France but i can to austria.

I have accommodation for a few months arranged in austria.
I am there now, so can register.

The health insurance is a biggy.

And whether they let me stay.
No need to rush. Even after Brexit if your partner has Austrian citizenship then you have the fight of residency in any EU country. You will need to abide by local health insurance regulations.

philv

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238 months

Tuesday 15th September 2020
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Mrr T said:
philv said:
My partner is in Austria and i have a child in france.

I can't move to France but i can to austria.

I have accommodation for a few months arranged in austria.
I am there now, so can register.

The health insurance is a biggy.

And whether they let me stay.
No need to rush. Even after Brexit if your partner has Austrian citizenship then you have the fight of residency in any EU country. You will need to abide by local health insurance regulations.
She is not austrian.
She is from the eu though.

I need to take a walk down to the town hall etc tomorrow and ask some questions.

RedWhiteMonkey

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206 months

Tuesday 15th September 2020
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I love these threads where someone asks a basic question and then with every post a new caveat appears.

Let us know what the people a the town hall say (I assume that's in Austria?).