Public v Private sectors
Discussion
PC here at top of current pay grade. If I get a pay increase great, if not and it helps others out then all for it.
I’ve colleagues who are not at the top of grade and policing minister has today confirmed that those not at top of pay grade will still get incremental increases.
My partner works for civil service and they will not be getting increases.
We’re not in any place to complain about not getting increases in pay when there’s millions out of work and others in work but struggling.
I’ve seen both sides of it having previously being self employed and prior to that in two jobs that were both made redundant and losing my place to live and living on help from family and friends.
I’ve colleagues who are not at the top of grade and policing minister has today confirmed that those not at top of pay grade will still get incremental increases.
My partner works for civil service and they will not be getting increases.
We’re not in any place to complain about not getting increases in pay when there’s millions out of work and others in work but struggling.
I’ve seen both sides of it having previously being self employed and prior to that in two jobs that were both made redundant and losing my place to live and living on help from family and friends.
KrissKross said:
Not sure if this is being discussed.
Public sector - No one out of work, no pay reductions - due to potentially receive pay increases.
Private sector - Millions out of work, or being paid a fraction of normal levels - due to get much worse.
It is nowhere near this black and white. Presenting such sweeping generalisations as fact is part of the problem because it prevents reasoned discussion. Public sector - No one out of work, no pay reductions - due to potentially receive pay increases.
Private sector - Millions out of work, or being paid a fraction of normal levels - due to get much worse.
abzmike said:
KrissKross said:
Not sure if this is being discussed.
Public sector - No one out of work, no pay reductions - due to potentially receive pay increases.
Private sector - Millions out of work, or being paid a fraction of normal levels - due to get much worse.
It is nowhere near this black and white. Presenting such sweeping generalisations as fact is part of the problem because it prevents reasoned discussion. Public sector - No one out of work, no pay reductions - due to potentially receive pay increases.
Private sector - Millions out of work, or being paid a fraction of normal levels - due to get much worse.
abzmike said:
KrissKross said:
Not sure if this is being discussed.
Public sector - No one out of work, no pay reductions - due to potentially receive pay increases.
Private sector - Millions out of work, or being paid a fraction of normal levels - due to get much worse.
It is nowhere near this black and white. Presenting such sweeping generalisations as fact is part of the problem because it prevents reasoned discussion. Public sector - No one out of work, no pay reductions - due to potentially receive pay increases.
Private sector - Millions out of work, or being paid a fraction of normal levels - due to get much worse.
Not all public sector is the same. Not all private sector is the same.
KrissKross said:
Not sure if this is being discussed.
Public sector - No one out of work, no pay reductions - due to potentially receive pay increases.
Private sector - Millions out of work, or being paid a fraction of normal levels - due to get much worse.
if it's that good have you considered getting a job in the Public Sector?Public sector - No one out of work, no pay reductions - due to potentially receive pay increases.
Private sector - Millions out of work, or being paid a fraction of normal levels - due to get much worse.
There's lots of people on PH making "6 figs". I'd be stunned if any of them were in the Public Sector.
vaud said:
abzmike said:
KrissKross said:
Not sure if this is being discussed.
Public sector - No one out of work, no pay reductions - due to potentially receive pay increases.
Private sector - Millions out of work, or being paid a fraction of normal levels - due to get much worse.
It is nowhere near this black and white. Presenting such sweeping generalisations as fact is part of the problem because it prevents reasoned discussion. Public sector - No one out of work, no pay reductions - due to potentially receive pay increases.
Private sector - Millions out of work, or being paid a fraction of normal levels - due to get much worse.
Not all public sector is the same. Not all private sector is the same.
1) the people are needed - Teachers, Dr's Firemen and women etc
2) They are paid via a budget that is gifted from the government not dependent on profit or good service
but point 1 does not mean jobs for life as services have been cut in the past and point 2 does not mean a crap service either but both of those points are often then assumed to mean my second line.
My fear is not cuts to services my fear is huge tax rises which then cut the cash in your pocket rediuce your spednign and cuase the econoemy to falter for years to come.
The fact is we live in a world where we need people to consume from houses to hoovers all consumption creates jons which creates profits which pay wages which then fund tax's.
If the chancelor raises tax's say upper rate paye you might assume it does not affect most people but it will affect spending and more jobs will then be lost.
The balance has to be found butI would assume post covid we can spend a lot less though really should we spend on HS2 etc and create loist of short term low paid jobs for a service which may never actually be used to the full (WFH etc)
KrissKross said:
Not sure if this is being discussed.
Public sector - No one out of work, no pay reductions - due to potentially receive pay increases.
Private sector - Millions out of work, or being paid a fraction of normal levels - due to get much worse.
Alternative view:Public sector - No one out of work, no pay reductions - due to potentially receive pay increases.
Private sector - Millions out of work, or being paid a fraction of normal levels - due to get much worse.
Public sector - No one out of work, pay reductions in real terms for the last 10 years, some got pay increases last year. Worked through the pandemic, some doing more work than normal due to it
Private sector - Millions supported with public money during pandemic (and continuing), on a good chunk of normal levels, doing DIY or drinking beer in the garden most of spring. Now in big trouble but state support still available.
Pensioner sector - Still drawing full pension, triple lock still active for state pension so will get pay increase this year more than most workers.
I suspect the reality is somewhere in the middle.
MickC said:
KrissKross said:
Not sure if this is being discussed.
Public sector - No one out of work, no pay reductions - due to potentially receive pay increases.
Private sector - Millions out of work, or being paid a fraction of normal levels - due to get much worse.
Alternative view:Public sector - No one out of work, no pay reductions - due to potentially receive pay increases.
Private sector - Millions out of work, or being paid a fraction of normal levels - due to get much worse.
Public sector - No one out of work, pay reductions in real terms for the last 10 years, some got pay increases last year. Worked through the pandemic, some doing more work than normal due to it
Private sector - Millions supported with public money during pandemic (and continuing), on a good chunk of normal levels, doing DIY or drinking beer in the garden most of spring. Now in big trouble but state support still available.
Pensioner sector - Still drawing full pension, triple lock still active for state pension so will get pay increase this year more than most workers.
I suspect the reality is somewhere in the middle.
I would also argue that since the Private Sector are mainly funding the Public sector , since the Government (IE Public sector) tells the private sector to shut, they should be supported...
State Support is awful.
If any of my friends who are on 40-50-60k a year and lose their job through no fault of their own, the Government are not going to help them. And £85 Benefit a week doesn't touch the sides.
MickC said:
I suspect the reality is somewhere in the middle.
Pretty much agree. What it means for some of us in upper management SMEs, is a bit of belt tightening & the fact that there's no way I'll get an above inflation pay rise, probably for at least the next 5 years. Am I content with the stuff I have right now? Affordable mortgage, car, motorcycle, decent stereo, telly, etc. Whether I like it or not, the economy has taken a mahoosive hit. Am I going to rant & rage & take sides? If it really does become an existential problem, or some dystopian nightmare, I'll bugger off somewhere....
3454.5 said:
This stuff is really very simple, the Private Sector (attempts to) provide the wealth for the Public Sector
to use, via taxation.
My lifetime, long now, has shown me that the Public Sector is not very good at delivery.
People find this very hard to understand but the "Public Sector" is actually funded by both the "Private Sector" AND the "Public Sector"to use, via taxation.
My lifetime, long now, has shown me that the Public Sector is not very good at delivery.
320d is all you need said:
State Support is awful.
If any of my friends who are on 40-50-60k a year and lose their job through no fault of their own, the Government are not going to help them. And £85 Benefit a week doesn't touch the sides.
State support is that, basic support it's not meant to allow you the good life,but survive.If any of my friends who are on 40-50-60k a year and lose their job through no fault of their own, the Government are not going to help them. And £85 Benefit a week doesn't touch the sides.
If any of your friends on 40-60k a year cannot survive a month,or three without full earnings that says more about their attitude to saving/being prudent than it does about government support.
Biggy Stardust said:
Countdown said:
People find this very hard to understand but the "Public Sector" is actually funded by both the "Private Sector" AND the "Public Sector"
No. The public sector might recycle some of what it's taken out but all the 'fresh' money comes from private sector.A public sector female actually stated ' it's not the job of the public sector to prop up the private sector'
How I laughed. Not.
Dougie.
driver67 said:
Exactly. Listening to radio interview on the way home from work today.
A public sector female actually stated ' it's not the job of the public sector to prop up the private sector'
How I laughed. Not.
Dougie.
I too heard that, my reaction was as your's.A public sector female actually stated ' it's not the job of the public sector to prop up the private sector'
How I laughed. Not.
Dougie.
Not a clue as to how an Economy works.
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