Land owner vs Environment
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A story just right for PH, a land owner vs the environment agency and various other leftie environment groups.
Start with a Daily Mail link:
"A farmer who used a 16-ton bulldozer to destroy a riverside beauty spot has said he acted to protect local homes from flooding.
John Price - a local potato and cattle farmer - dredged a section of the River Lugg near Leominster in Herefordshire and reportedly stripped a mile-long stretch of the bank of trees and bushes.
The farmer, 66, was widely criticised and the Environment Agency has launched an urgent investigation into the matter.
...
'It was up to the Environmental Agency to look after these rivers but they don't do any work and haven't got any money to do the work because they spend it all on clipboards.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9020773/E...
Stir with a lefty viewpoint:
Guy Linley-Adams, a lawyer for the charity Salmon and Trout Conservation, who lives nearby, witnessed the destruction to the river, which is protected as an SSSI, site of special scientific interest.
He called for prosecution of those responsible. “This is one of the most egregious acts of ecological vandalism that I have seen in 25 years of working on rivers in the UK,” he said. “I have been on site and I am shaking with anger at what has been done to my local river.
“There can be no excuse if the perpetrator is not now prosecuted to the fullest extent possible. His financial assets should also be taken to pay to restore the river, a restoration that will take decades.”
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/dec/0...
Let's see how much rage this thread can provoke.
Start with a Daily Mail link:
"A farmer who used a 16-ton bulldozer to destroy a riverside beauty spot has said he acted to protect local homes from flooding.
John Price - a local potato and cattle farmer - dredged a section of the River Lugg near Leominster in Herefordshire and reportedly stripped a mile-long stretch of the bank of trees and bushes.
The farmer, 66, was widely criticised and the Environment Agency has launched an urgent investigation into the matter.
...
'It was up to the Environmental Agency to look after these rivers but they don't do any work and haven't got any money to do the work because they spend it all on clipboards.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9020773/E...
Stir with a lefty viewpoint:
Guy Linley-Adams, a lawyer for the charity Salmon and Trout Conservation, who lives nearby, witnessed the destruction to the river, which is protected as an SSSI, site of special scientific interest.
He called for prosecution of those responsible. “This is one of the most egregious acts of ecological vandalism that I have seen in 25 years of working on rivers in the UK,” he said. “I have been on site and I am shaking with anger at what has been done to my local river.
“There can be no excuse if the perpetrator is not now prosecuted to the fullest extent possible. His financial assets should also be taken to pay to restore the river, a restoration that will take decades.”
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/dec/0...
Let's see how much rage this thread can provoke.
Fittster said:
Let's see how much rage this thread can provoke.
No need for any rage. Just different opinions. I support the farmer's actions. Slow moving rivers silt up over time. If the channel is narrower and shallower than there is an increased flood risk. Dredge away!Regardless of what the keyboard warriors here think it seems the locals are happy.
"Residents of the area leapt to Mr Price's defence and said they had been appealing to the Environment Agency and council for years to tackle blockages in the waterway, but had been ignored.
Kelly Flook, 40, who lives in one of the houses flooded during Storm Dennis last year, said Mr Price acted because their pleas had been repeatedly ignored.
She told The Daily Telegraph: "I have spent the past 10 months living in a mobile home on my parents' driveway with my children because our home was flooded in Storm Dennis. I have spent a fortune rebuilding our home and we are still not back in it yet. All the locals have been petitioning to have the river cleared but we have been ignored."
She added: "John has acted in the best interests of the local community."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/12/05/farmer...
it turns out he is a neighbour of someone I went to college with. I did see some photos sent to me from said someone via a mutual friend last year showing his yard, cattle (the cattle were in at the time) shed, grain store and potato store under several feet of water.
Looks to me like the guy did a very tidy job, or his contractor did.
Looks to me like the guy did a very tidy job, or his contractor did.
irc said:
No need for any rage. Just different opinions. I support the farmer's actions. Slow moving rivers silt up over time. If the channel is narrower and shallower than there is an increased flood risk. Dredge away!
Regardless of what the keyboard warriors here think it seems the locals are happy.
"Residents of the area leapt to Mr Price's defence and said they had been appealing to the Environment Agency and council for years to tackle blockages in the waterway, but had been ignored.
Kelly Flook, 40, who lives in one of the houses flooded during Storm Dennis last year, said Mr Price acted because their pleas had been repeatedly ignored.
She told The Daily Telegraph: "I have spent the past 10 months living in a mobile home on my parents' driveway with my children because our home was flooded in Storm Dennis. I have spent a fortune rebuilding our home and we are still not back in it yet. All the locals have been petitioning to have the river cleared but we have been ignored."
She added: "John has acted in the best interests of the local community."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/12/05/farmer...
If the water goes quickly through this section what happens downstream? Regardless of what the keyboard warriors here think it seems the locals are happy.
"Residents of the area leapt to Mr Price's defence and said they had been appealing to the Environment Agency and council for years to tackle blockages in the waterway, but had been ignored.
Kelly Flook, 40, who lives in one of the houses flooded during Storm Dennis last year, said Mr Price acted because their pleas had been repeatedly ignored.
She told The Daily Telegraph: "I have spent the past 10 months living in a mobile home on my parents' driveway with my children because our home was flooded in Storm Dennis. I have spent a fortune rebuilding our home and we are still not back in it yet. All the locals have been petitioning to have the river cleared but we have been ignored."
She added: "John has acted in the best interests of the local community."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/12/05/farmer...
Fittster said:
irc said:
No need for any rage. Just different opinions. I support the farmer's actions. Slow moving rivers silt up over time. If the channel is narrower and shallower than there is an increased flood risk. Dredge away!
Regardless of what the keyboard warriors here think it seems the locals are happy.
"Residents of the area leapt to Mr Price's defence and said they had been appealing to the Environment Agency and council for years to tackle blockages in the waterway, but had been ignored.
Kelly Flook, 40, who lives in one of the houses flooded during Storm Dennis last year, said Mr Price acted because their pleas had been repeatedly ignored.
She told The Daily Telegraph: "I have spent the past 10 months living in a mobile home on my parents' driveway with my children because our home was flooded in Storm Dennis. I have spent a fortune rebuilding our home and we are still not back in it yet. All the locals have been petitioning to have the river cleared but we have been ignored."
She added: "John has acted in the best interests of the local community."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/12/05/farmer...
If the water goes quickly through this section what happens downstream? Regardless of what the keyboard warriors here think it seems the locals are happy.
"Residents of the area leapt to Mr Price's defence and said they had been appealing to the Environment Agency and council for years to tackle blockages in the waterway, but had been ignored.
Kelly Flook, 40, who lives in one of the houses flooded during Storm Dennis last year, said Mr Price acted because their pleas had been repeatedly ignored.
She told The Daily Telegraph: "I have spent the past 10 months living in a mobile home on my parents' driveway with my children because our home was flooded in Storm Dennis. I have spent a fortune rebuilding our home and we are still not back in it yet. All the locals have been petitioning to have the river cleared but we have been ignored."
She added: "John has acted in the best interests of the local community."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/12/05/farmer...
he chopped down trees that prevent flooding and hold the river bank together so he clearly is talking out his arse.
i agree that the EA doesn't dredge rivers as they should and flooding can clearly be prevented with money spent on it.
i agree that the EA doesn't dredge rivers as they should and flooding can clearly be prevented with money spent on it.
Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 5th December 18:24
We’ve had similar here.
A local farmer used to maintain the local river/stream, just like has dad did before him. That’s now been banned, leading to a flood risk. 2 years ago that flood risk materialised big time, and the spotty youth from the Env Agency allowed emergency work to be done to save about 500 houses.
This “flood climate change” guff is utter b
ks. If you don’t maintain watercourses, you’ll get flooded.
A local farmer used to maintain the local river/stream, just like has dad did before him. That’s now been banned, leading to a flood risk. 2 years ago that flood risk materialised big time, and the spotty youth from the Env Agency allowed emergency work to be done to save about 500 houses.
This “flood climate change” guff is utter b
ks. If you don’t maintain watercourses, you’ll get flooded.I think it’s the way it currently looks. Obviously heavy plant makes a bit of a mess and when it greens up it will look better. I agree that dredging should be increased everywhere but this notion that flooding is a recent thing is just bks. Go to somewhere like Bewdley on the Severn and all the Georgian houses have three steps up from street level.
ks. Go to somewhere like Bewdley on the Severn and all the Georgian houses have three steps up from street level.I live in a farming area
The farms around me have been in the same families for generations, the one across the Lane has been in the same family for 400 years
The farmers know their land and what needs doing to keep it tip top fat better than anyone
They are in it for the long haul and understand nature
They were managing the land for centuries before the EA and will do so long after it’s been replaced by something else
The farms around me have been in the same families for generations, the one across the Lane has been in the same family for 400 years
The farmers know their land and what needs doing to keep it tip top fat better than anyone
They are in it for the long haul and understand nature
They were managing the land for centuries before the EA and will do so long after it’s been replaced by something else
irc said:
Not his problem. Should the locals continue to allow their houses to flood because the river downstream has been blocked by silt and fallen trees etc?
If there is flooding to properties down stream will the farm pay those people compensation? Moving a problem on to someone else is hardly managing an environment wellShould the locals follow environment and planning laws?
Fittster said:
irc said:
Not his problem. Should the locals continue to allow their houses to flood because the river downstream has been blocked by silt and fallen trees etc?
If there is flooding to properties down stream will the farm pay those people compensation? Moving a problem on to someone else is hardly managing an environment wellShould the locals follow environment and planning laws?
Following laws? Sure. Let's wait and see if he has broken any. The environment agency were wanting work done here according to the Parish Council.
"The parish council has had a dialogue with the Environment Agency, and officers have attended online meetings in recent months. A site meeting with the Environment Agency in September 2020 identified issues near the bridge and the Environment Agency subsequently wrote that “the left hand bank directly upstream of the bridge could do with some reprofiling due to bank slumping… to ease conveyance as it is currently partially obstructing the 3rd arch of the bridge and will look to the landowner to carry out these works”. Another issue highlighted by the Environment Agency was “a build-up of silt and growth mostly Himalayan Balsam on both the upstream and downstream sides”.
https://kingsland-pc.gov.uk/statement-on-the-recen...
Edited by irc on Saturday 5th December 19:17
It is an eyesore at the moment, as for the rights and wrongs if the farmer is prosecuted it might actually get to truth as the EA just seem to sit back and spend their time stopping anyone doing anything.
The Somerset Levels are a good example, I'm surprised the EA people who turned up when everything was flooded weren't lynched on the spot.
The Somerset Levels are a good example, I'm surprised the EA people who turned up when everything was flooded weren't lynched on the spot.
gottans said:
It is an eyesore at the moment, as for the rights and wrongs if the farmer is prosecuted it might actually get to truth as the EA just seem to sit back and spend their time stopping anyone doing anything.
The Somerset Levels are a good example, I'm surprised the EA people who turned up when everything was flooded weren't lynched on the spot.
Correct! This pic shows what happens without dredging. The Somerset Levels are a good example, I'm surprised the EA people who turned up when everything was flooded weren't lynched on the spot.
https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2020...
Spoil sport isn’t he !!’ the EA and the other idiots want the rivers to flood then they can claim climate change is
Responsible, sad thing is previously land owners quietly
Looked after there ditches and river sides,
Now it’s some semi educated graduate with a clip board
And reams of paperwork before any work is carried out hence no one bothers and we have flooding and peoples lives and livelihoods ruined ...
Responsible, sad thing is previously land owners quietly
Looked after there ditches and river sides,
Now it’s some semi educated graduate with a clip board
And reams of paperwork before any work is carried out hence no one bothers and we have flooding and peoples lives and livelihoods ruined ...
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