Will you get the covid vaccine? (Vol 2)
Poll: Will you get the covid vaccine? (Vol 2)
Total Members Polled: 322
Discussion
For me the fundamental reason to get the vaccine is freedom to travel. Looks as if some kind of proof of vaccination will be required in many places, so want to avoid the hassle of trying to keep up with the rules...See CNN site this morning:
https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/international-t...
https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/international-t...
Unfortunately in the race between Coronavirus and the vaccination program the former seems to have the pace here. As it stand it seems inevitable to me that more people will get the virus than the vaccine. That is a most unfortunate situation for the NHS who likely won't have the capacity to treat people, as we saw in north Italy last year.
While there is talk of a stricter lockdown measure (level six?) I can't see that increasing tiers is having an impact on the cases or deaths. Either the mutated form of the virus is far better at spreading or lockdown fatigue has set in.
While there is talk of a stricter lockdown measure (level six?) I can't see that increasing tiers is having an impact on the cases or deaths. Either the mutated form of the virus is far better at spreading or lockdown fatigue has set in.
speedy_thrills said:
Unfortunately in the race between Coronavirus and the vaccination program the former seems to have the pace here. As it stand it seems inevitable to me that more people will get the virus than the vaccine. That is a most unfortunate situation for the NHS who likely won't have the capacity to treat people, as we saw in north Italy last year.
While there is talk of a stricter lockdown measure (level six?) I can't see that increasing tiers is having an impact on the cases or deaths. Either the mutated form of the virus is far better at spreading or lockdown fatigue has set in.
Lock downs can only have an effect, if people follow the guidance. If they do not, then it is not a lock down. The first lock down did significantly reduce the R Rate, but now whilst we have had more lock downs, they might only `look' like one. So no real use for anyone.While there is talk of a stricter lockdown measure (level six?) I can't see that increasing tiers is having an impact on the cases or deaths. Either the mutated form of the virus is far better at spreading or lockdown fatigue has set in.
Edited by Pan Pan Pan on Saturday 9th January 19:21
According to the WHO the Infection Fatality Rate of the virus is about 0.25% (1 in 400 of those infected will die). This is based on the median figure from 61 IFR studies across the world and the IFR can obviously vary quite a lot from place to place.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&...
But let's assume that the WHO IFR estimate is true for the UK. We have supposedly now passed 80,000 Covid deaths. We can therefore estimate that, for 80k people to have died, 32 million of us must have already had it.
With 100k new cases per day and potentially 2 million vaccinations a week we must surely be close to Herd immunity very soon?
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&...
But let's assume that the WHO IFR estimate is true for the UK. We have supposedly now passed 80,000 Covid deaths. We can therefore estimate that, for 80k people to have died, 32 million of us must have already had it.
With 100k new cases per day and potentially 2 million vaccinations a week we must surely be close to Herd immunity very soon?
RDMcG said:
For me the fundamental reason to get the vaccine is freedom to travel. Looks as if some kind of proof of vaccination will be required in many places, so want to avoid the hassle of trying to keep up with the rules...See CNN site this morning:
https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/international-t...
I don't quite get this. Firstly until everyone is offered the opportunity to be vaccinated it would be rather unfair to discriminate against those who haven't. So this year, assuming that only those over the age of say 25 will be offered the vaccine before autumn, then younger people would not be able to travel whether by themselves or with family. Last I heard under-16s were not expected to be vaccinated at all - so no family holidays ? Are pregnant women to be banned from flying if they are advised against the vaccine ? Similarly for those with bad reactions to injections.https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/international-t...
I could certainly understand a requirement for a negative test before travelling.
Lily the Pink said:
RDMcG said:
For me the fundamental reason to get the vaccine is freedom to travel. Looks as if some kind of proof of vaccination will be required in many places, so want to avoid the hassle of trying to keep up with the rules...See CNN site this morning:
https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/international-t...
I don't quite get this. Firstly until everyone is offered the opportunity to be vaccinated it would be rather unfair to discriminate against those who haven't. So this year, assuming that only those over the age of say 25 will be offered the vaccine before autumn, then younger people would not be able to travel whether by themselves or with family. Last I heard under-16s were not expected to be vaccinated at all - so no family holidays ? Are pregnant women to be banned from flying if they are advised against the vaccine ? Similarly for those with bad reactions to injections.https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/international-t...
I could certainly understand a requirement for a negative test before travelling.
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/coronavirus/some...
Obviously this will move but airlines need a degree of predictability. I travel on a variety of airlines normally and I just don't want to have to think about the various airline and country requirements.I would assume that some will and possibly some won't but it is not going to determine what flight I take. Vaccines in any case don't bother me. I have had a lot of the tropical disease ones, plus Pneumonia ( a lifesaver for me), so no big deal. I do not believe that there will or should be any kind of compulsion so still a personal call. This is just mine.
Denmark is developing a Covid passport....
https://news.yahoo.com/denmark-developing-digital-...
I do believe that more than a negative test result will be required.
https://news.yahoo.com/denmark-developing-digital-...
I do believe that more than a negative test result will be required.
MX5Biologist said:
The principle of a vaccination certificate is less to do with proving you are not importing a transmissable case, but essentially underwriting the risk of becoming ill while in the country requiring the vaccination certificate.
Take for instance Yellow Fever Vaccination. We do not have Yellow Fever in the UK and have never had this viral infection. But there are several countries that make it mandatory for all visitors to present a yellow fever vaccination certificate (Carte Jaune). Most of these countries, but not all, are in West Africa.
Yellow fever is in active circulation in these countries, and you would be stupid to forgo a vaccine before entering. These tend to be countries with fragile health sytems, and tourists adding to that burden for what is a preventable disease amounts to negligance.
As for discrimination; all countries have the freedom to admit whoever they like. They set the rules. And if they require you to have a vaccine, you will have to get a vaccination if yu wish to visit that country.
I worked in Senegal for 3 weeks and had every vaccination known to man to go out there and wasn't asked for any proof whatsoever when I arrived. Take for instance Yellow Fever Vaccination. We do not have Yellow Fever in the UK and have never had this viral infection. But there are several countries that make it mandatory for all visitors to present a yellow fever vaccination certificate (Carte Jaune). Most of these countries, but not all, are in West Africa.
Yellow fever is in active circulation in these countries, and you would be stupid to forgo a vaccine before entering. These tend to be countries with fragile health sytems, and tourists adding to that burden for what is a preventable disease amounts to negligance.
As for discrimination; all countries have the freedom to admit whoever they like. They set the rules. And if they require you to have a vaccine, you will have to get a vaccination if yu wish to visit that country.
Interesting piece here (ok, he's written it in the Wail, so what?) -
I don't know him from adam but apparently a respected surgeon, well, being an Honorary Consultant Craniofacial Surgeon at Great Ormond Street Hospital would make him respected in most people's eyes wouldn't it?
That aside, he makes an argument I've not read so far.
Especially this bit.
Both Pfizer and BioNTech, the manufacturers each stressed that the only trial to date of the new vaccine used a regime of two doses separated by 21 days. This clearly showed that maximum immunity (95 per cent) was not reached until seven days after the second dose.
There is no data for any other regime and the only figure for interim immunity quoted in Pfizer/BioNTech's paper (published in the New England Journal of Medicine) was 52 per cent approximately 14 days after the first dose.
Read the whole thing yourself, if you're not frightened by the fact it's in the Wail, of course.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9120279...
I don't know him from adam but apparently a respected surgeon, well, being an Honorary Consultant Craniofacial Surgeon at Great Ormond Street Hospital would make him respected in most people's eyes wouldn't it?
That aside, he makes an argument I've not read so far.
Especially this bit.
Both Pfizer and BioNTech, the manufacturers each stressed that the only trial to date of the new vaccine used a regime of two doses separated by 21 days. This clearly showed that maximum immunity (95 per cent) was not reached until seven days after the second dose.
There is no data for any other regime and the only figure for interim immunity quoted in Pfizer/BioNTech's paper (published in the New England Journal of Medicine) was 52 per cent approximately 14 days after the first dose.
Read the whole thing yourself, if you're not frightened by the fact it's in the Wail, of course.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9120279...
Narcisus said:
dandarez said:
LosingGrip said:
I’ve just had mine. Don’t really see why you wouldn’t.
I take it then you must be very old or an essential NHS frontline staff or something else?I am far from young but even if I wanted a jab now my chances are zilch.
So in my case, similar to very many others, it would be 'I couldn't' - not why 'I wouldn't'.
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