The true cost of Covid-19 in one picture/story...

[CeramicMX5ND2]

With Covid-19, we get the daily numbers of new cases, deaths and lots of news - But this one photo really catches what so may are going through.. At least this couple were together and got to say their final goodbyes..

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-55...

[sc0tt]

Another thread?

[Boringvolvodriver]

Of course it is a tragedy- every death is a tragedy for those people involved. However, people die every day of all sorts of things, some of which can be avoided, some not.

Those deaths and individual stories are not reported - both my parents died before they were 70 at 62 and 68, my best friends lost their son at 29.

More people are still dying every day of things other than covid so please can we put things into some sort of perspective.

Whilst I am sorry for their family, the question is how did they both catch COVID, especially since the article mentioned that the dad has underlying health issues.

Finally, the medical staff have managed in difficult times to show true humanity which many peeple have not experienced throughout the pandemic.

[vonuber]

AlexC1981 said:

It's a tragedy. Whilst she might have been past her prime it wasn't like she didn't still have a life to live, people she cared about and people who cared about her. Just like you do presumably.

Sure. My mum died at 65, it happens.

[vdn]

vonuber said:

AlexC1981 said:

It's a tragedy. Whilst she might have been past her prime it wasn't like she didn't still have a life to live, people she cared about and people who cared about her. Just like you do presumably.

Sure. My mum died at 65, it happens.

So..?

[vonuber]

vdn said:

So..?

So what's the point of this thread?

[Boringvolvodriver]

vonuber said:

vdn said:

So..?

So what's the point of this thread?

It is a fair point - perhaps the OP could tell us?

[oyster]

Boringvolvodriver said:

Of course it is a tragedy- every death is a tragedy for those people involved. However, people die every day of all sorts of things, some of which can be avoided, some not.

Those deaths and individual stories are not reported - both my parents died before they were 70 at 62 and 68, my best friends lost their son at 29.

More people are still dying every day of things other than covid so please can we put things into some sort of perspective.

Whilst I am sorry for their family, the question is how did they both catch COVID, especially since the article mentioned that the dad has underlying health issues.

Finally, the medical staff have managed in difficult times to show true humanity which many peeple have not experienced throughout the pandemic.

4 paragraphs before victim blaming. Surely you could have had less preamble?

[CeramicMX5ND2]

Boringvolvodriver said:

vonuber said:

vdn said:

So..?

So what's the point of this thread?

It is a fair point - perhaps the OP could tell us?

It's about the picture more than the story - I think it just captures a very telling moment..
(Probably wasn't worth starting a new covid thread as there are so many here already...)

[Hoofy]

Boringvolvodriver said:

Whilst I am sorry for their family, the question is how did they both catch COVID, especially since the article mentioned that the dad has underlying health issues.

Into perspective, we're having people dying who would have lived a few more years if it were not for Covid.

Someone who is 30 and has asthma is at serious risk of dying. This same 30 year old with "underlying health conditions" could otherwise live until 80. Perspective.

Mind you, why do I care? I am fit and healthy with no underlying conditions, and if my close family members die, I could treat myself to a new Lambo. Win-win.

[JagLover]

Hoofy said:

Someone who is 30 and has asthma is at serious risk of dying. This same 30 year old with "underlying health conditions" could otherwise live until 80. Perspective.

Up until the 2 January 2021 2% of all those in the UK dying with Covid have been in the under 50 age group.

This is a disease of age, and then condition, and when we are talking about condition we are talking of serious health issues not asthma.

The chances of an otherwise healthy 30 year old with asthma dying from this are remote. It is not a "serious risk of dying".

Obesity is a serious risk factor and that increases risk of death by 90%.

[kingofdbrits]

Well that picture brought back the most horrible experience of my life, watching my mum gasping for breath in a hospital bed while I was holding her hand, 3 fecking days I was there watching her slowly go, you feel almost evil just wanting it to end as you know there's no way back. It wasn't Covid that took my mum, not directly anyway, it was lung cancer.
She was dong very well with her treatment pre-covid, but when the hospitals all but closed themselves down there were a raft of missed appointments, even turned away at the door when they cancelled a load of planned appointments 'because covid'. Her medication had run out and there was a gap between getting the next lot sorted, and cancer doing what cancer does, it really took hold and when the treatment started again things had advanced a bit too much.
We still continued to be pissed about with appointments and treatment, everything seemed like it had closed down and it didn't matter who you talk to or write to everything just seemed futile, like we were no longer important.

Anyways, I won't go on, I'm sure I'm not alone in having a loved one taken because of the restrictions imposed 'because covid'.

Funny thing though, my brother was helping care for my mum and moved in with her for a while, he caught Covid back in February last year, before anyone really knew it was over here and my mum never had any effects of it, perhaps it was all the steroids she was on? Who knows? so she survived being exposed to covid but couldn't survive the effects of government actions attempting to save her as she was on the shielding list. funny old world.

[moanthebairns]

It says the male was recovering and it doesn't confirm in the article if the woman has passed away.

I mean, its a terrible shame, but if they both end up making a full recovery and are home in time to watch pointless next week it seems a bit fking heart string pulling devoid of the facts to make you feel so.

[Boringvolvodriver]

oyster said:

Boringvolvodriver said:

Of course it is a tragedy- every death is a tragedy for those people involved. However, people die every day of all sorts of things, some of which can be avoided, some not.

Those deaths and individual stories are not reported - both my parents died before they were 70 at 62 and 68, my best friends lost their son at 29.

More people are still dying every day of things other than covid so please can we put things into some sort of perspective.

Whilst I am sorry for their family, the question is how did they both catch COVID, especially since the article mentioned that the dad has underlying health issues.

Finally, the medical staff have managed in difficult times to show true humanity which many peeple have not experienced throughout the pandemic.

4 paragraphs before victim blaming. Surely you could have had less preamble?

Not victim blaming - just asking the question - why do you jump to that conclusion? Surely relevant to the story as well as the overall picture in the country. We need to understand where transmission is happening surely.

[Boringvolvodriver]

kingofdbrits said:

Well that picture brought back the most horrible experience of my life, watching my mum gasping for breath in a hospital bed while I was holding her hand, 3 fecking days I was there watching her slowly go, you feel almost evil just wanting it to end as you know there's no way back. It wasn't Covid that took my mum, not directly anyway, it was lung cancer.
She was dong very well with her treatment pre-covid, but when the hospitals all but closed themselves down there were a raft of missed appointments, even turned away at the door when they cancelled a load of planned appointments 'because covid'. Her medication had run out and there was a gap between getting the next lot sorted, and cancer doing what cancer does, it really took hold and when the treatment started again things had advanced a bit too much.
We still continued to be pissed about with appointments and treatment, everything seemed like it had closed down and it didn't matter who you talk to or write to everything just seemed futile, like we were no longer important.

Anyways, I won't go on, I'm sure I'm not alone in having a loved one taken because of the restrictions imposed 'because covid'.

Funny thing though, my brother was helping care for my mum and moved in with her for a while, he caught Covid back in February last year, before anyone really knew it was over here and my mum never had any effects of it, perhaps it was all the steroids she was on? Who knows? so she survived being exposed to covid but couldn't survive the effects of government actions attempting to save her as she was on the shielding list. funny old world.

Truly horrible circumstances and I feel for you and for family.

It is personal stories like yours that are not reported and that is the tragedy. The actions of the Government and NHS are causing more deaths than just Covid and yet those people’s deaths do not appear to matter in quite the same way.

Why I am not sure. - Maybe because people do not want their private grief plastered across the media - I know I wouldn’t. I want the government and NHS to take action and not just give us platitudes and lies.

[Boringvolvodriver]

CeramicMX5ND2 said:

Boringvolvodriver said:

vonuber said:

vdn said:

So..?

So what's the point of this thread?

It is a fair point - perhaps the OP could tell us?

It's about the picture more than the story - I think it just captures a very telling moment..
(Probably wasn't worth starting a new covid thread as there are so many here already...)

A telling moment - yes the NHS went above what some are not doing but a scene which actually didn’t happen at the beginning when people were dying alone having not seen relatives.

That was in humane as is the current situation where relatives cannot be with a family member in hospital until they are close to death or where people with dementia in care homes cannot see and touch their relatives.

See the post above from some one else which is another death which should not have happened

Finally, I am sorry but people do die every day in tragic circumstances without any fanfare.

I am a tad frustrated that onky COVID gets mentioned - it is more, much more than that.

[Hoofy]

JagLover said:

Hoofy said:

Someone who is 30 and has asthma is at serious risk of dying. This same 30 year old with "underlying health conditions" could otherwise live until 80. Perspective.

Up until the 2 January 2021 2% of all those in the UK dying with Covid have been in the under 50 age group.

This is a disease of age, and then condition, and when we are talking about condition we are talking of serious health issues not asthma.

The chances of an otherwise healthy 30 year old with asthma dying from this are remote. It is not a "serious risk of dying".

Obesity is a serious risk factor and that increases risk of death by 90%.

Why are people with asthma being recommended to shield?

[anonymous-user]

Hoofy said:

JagLover said:

Hoofy said:

Someone who is 30 and has asthma is at serious risk of dying. This same 30 year old with "underlying health conditions" could otherwise live until 80. Perspective.

Up until the 2 January 2021 2% of all those in the UK dying with Covid have been in the under 50 age group.

This is a disease of age, and then condition, and when we are talking about condition we are talking of serious health issues not asthma.

The chances of an otherwise healthy 30 year old with asthma dying from this are remote. It is not a "serious risk of dying".

Obesity is a serious risk factor and that increases risk of death by 90%.

Why are people with asthma being recommended to shield?

Because it is a respiratory disease?

[JagLover]

Hoofy said:

JagLover said:

Hoofy said:

Someone who is 30 and has asthma is at serious risk of dying. This same 30 year old with "underlying health conditions" could otherwise live until 80. Perspective.

Up until the 2 January 2021 2% of all those in the UK dying with Covid have been in the under 50 age group.

This is a disease of age, and then condition, and when we are talking about condition we are talking of serious health issues not asthma.

The chances of an otherwise healthy 30 year old with asthma dying from this are remote. It is not a "serious risk of dying".

Obesity is a serious risk factor and that increases risk of death by 90%.

Why are people with asthma being recommended to shield?

I dont know, as a precautionary measure perhaps?, or guidance early in the pandemic before the facts were established. There are millions suffering from Asthma under the age of 50 and so if it did create a genuine severe risk of death than there would have been a significant death toll. As it is 2% of deaths have been in the under 50s

AAAAI said:

Thus far the vast majority of these studies have found no increased risk of COVID-19 disease severity in those with asthma. Further, there appears to be no indication that asthma is a risk factor for developing COVID-19 disease.

https://www.aaaai.org/conditions-and-treatments/library/asthma-library/covid-asthma

If you are an otherwise health 30 year old who suffers from Asthma you do not have a "severe risk of death". In fact most studies do not show any greater risk than anyone else in your age group.

[heisthegaffer]

kingofdbrits said:

Well that picture brought back the most horrible experience of my life, watching my mum gasping for breath in a hospital bed while I was holding her hand, 3 fecking days I was there watching her slowly go, you feel almost evil just wanting it to end as you know there's no way back. It wasn't Covid that took my mum, not directly anyway, it was lung cancer.
She was dong very well with her treatment pre-covid, but when the hospitals all but closed themselves down there were a raft of missed appointments, even turned away at the door when they cancelled a load of planned appointments 'because covid'. Her medication had run out and there was a gap between getting the next lot sorted, and cancer doing what cancer does, it really took hold and when the treatment started again things had advanced a bit too much.
We still continued to be pissed about with appointments and treatment, everything seemed like it had closed down and it didn't matter who you talk to or write to everything just seemed futile, like we were no longer important.

Anyways, I won't go on, I'm sure I'm not alone in having a loved one taken because of the restrictions imposed 'because covid'.

Funny thing though, my brother was helping care for my mum and moved in with her for a while, he caught Covid back in February last year, before anyone really knew it was over here and my mum never had any effects of it, perhaps it was all the steroids she was on? Who knows? so she survived being exposed to covid but couldn't survive the effects of government actions attempting to save her as she was on the shielding list. funny old world.

Sorry to hear your sad news mate.