150,000 Police Records Lost
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over_the_hill

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3,285 posts

270 months

Friday 15th January 2021
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55672194

Have they never heard of back ups ?

Home Office said
"The issue related to people arrested and released where no further action had been taken, and no records of criminal or dangerous persons have been deleted. No further records can be deleted."

So not actually "criminals" so should they even have been keeping this data in the first place.

mr_spock

3,371 posts

239 months

Friday 15th January 2021
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If there are no backups then the CIO needs to go.

MYOB

5,098 posts

162 months

Friday 15th January 2021
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I thought DNA and fingerprints should not be held if they weren't charged?

So surely this is a no show story.

TEKNOPUG

20,305 posts

229 months

Friday 15th January 2021
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mr_spock said:
If there are no backups then the CIO needs to go.
How can the records be deleted if you still have them all?

On a live system where you don't need old data fine, keep a backup should you ever need it again.

But saying you have deleted my finger prints and DNA records but still kept a copy of them all doesn't really fly. Either you have deleted them or you haven't. Just storing them somewhere else doesn't count.

Tom Logan

3,872 posts

149 months

Friday 15th January 2021
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So, they have kept photos and DNA records of people who have been marked up as NFA?

The Stasi are alive and well.

Sheets Tabuer

21,051 posts

239 months

Friday 15th January 2021
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Phew hehe

devnull

3,848 posts

181 months

Friday 15th January 2021
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I would love to know the specifics of what went on here. Were all the records sitting on a £2 Ebay USB key, did sometime take the time to nuke the records from the DB directly and the backups? Were the backups only run once a week. Was it some ancient process where an old dear and a compaq laptop would process the records locally before committing them to the main DB, and then it transpires they'd never committed them for 10 years. Who knows!

williamp

20,124 posts

297 months

Friday 15th January 2021
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Good.
Police dont need to have ir keep records of people who have not done anything wrong

anonymous-user

78 months

Friday 15th January 2021
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we've all been there, you write an SQL statement to delete a couple of records, highlight the SQL statement and then press F5. Only to be greeted with a "150000 Records Updated" statement as you realise you missed off half the WHERE clause and start to feel very sick.

In a panic you phone IT who a couple of hours later inform you that the backups have not been working for the last year and nobody realised.




Countdown

47,634 posts

220 months

Friday 15th January 2021
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williamp said:
Good.
Police dont need to have ir keep records of people who have not done anything wrong
Not even when they're suspected of doing something wrong but there isn't any evidence to prosecute?


eharding

14,648 posts

308 months

Friday 15th January 2021
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Joey Deacon said:
we've all been there, you write an SQL statement to delete a couple of records, highlight the SQL statement and then press F5. Only to be greeted with a "150000 Records Updated" statement as you realise you missed off half the WHERE clause and start to feel very sick.

In a panic you phone IT who a couple of hours later inform you that the backups have not been working for the last year and nobody realised.
You then hire an Oracle consultant who tells you to type "rollback;", and charges you £10K. You consider this a bargain.



Biker 1

8,415 posts

143 months

Friday 15th January 2021
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Probably using Windows 95, or if they're a cutting edge government department, maybe XP??

motco

17,394 posts

270 months

Friday 15th January 2021
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I've been labouring under the false belief that 'deletion' merely marked the records as safe to over-write. Unless they have been over-written then surely the 'dump' flag could be removed before all is lost? Double back-ups notwithstanding obviously.

amusingduck

9,638 posts

160 months

Friday 15th January 2021
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eharding said:
Joey Deacon said:
we've all been there, you write an SQL statement to delete a couple of records, highlight the SQL statement and then press F5. Only to be greeted with a "150000 Records Updated" statement as you realise you missed off half the WHERE clause and start to feel very sick.

In a panic you phone IT who a couple of hours later inform you that the backups have not been working for the last year and nobody realised.
You then hire an Oracle consultant who tells you to type "rollback;", and charges you £10K. You consider this a bargain.
£10k for a consultant who travels back in time to put "BEGIN TRAN" before your query - that is a bargain biggrin

Digga

46,638 posts

307 months

Friday 15th January 2021
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mr_spock said:
If there are no backups then the CIO needs to go.
^This.

Amazed they didn't put a #hashbrown on it and send it to the internet cloud.

(Think I managed to bluff my way into sounding like I know my IT there.)

Gnevans

554 posts

146 months

Friday 15th January 2021
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The can have my Outlandos D’amour (it’s on vinyl so they will need a record player).

Oilchange

9,607 posts

284 months

Friday 15th January 2021
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Countdown said:
williamp said:
Good.
Police dont need to have ir keep records of people who have not done anything wrong
Not even when they're suspected of doing something wrong but there isn't any evidence to prosecute?
even more so. someone suspects you of doing something wrong and keeps your record forever? No, not on.

Digga

46,638 posts

307 months

Friday 15th January 2021
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Gnevans said:
The can have my Outlandos D’amour (it’s on vinyl so they will need a record player).
I have pondered where the line between criminal and terrorist is drawn.

TRIUMPHBULLET

711 posts

137 months

Friday 15th January 2021
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Looks like the innocent until proven guilty basis is no longer relevent.
I wonder who the stool pigeon will be?
More importantly how many real threats to the public have now been lost

phil1979

3,660 posts

239 months

Friday 15th January 2021
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Ooh, good news. My details may have been on this database, so hopefully I am now fully deleted, which I had assumed was the case anyway.