Loch lomond hotel fire - dont put ashes in the cupboard

[saaby93]

Porter told off for putting ashes in the cupboard as safety risk

Three days later does the same thing and no more hotel
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-wes...

[TheJimi]

saaby93 said:

Porter told off for putting ashes in the cupboard as safety risk

Three days later does the same thing and no more hotel
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-wes...

Stores ash in a cupboard, and not just any cupboard, but where the kindling etc is also kept!

Holy juddering fk

fk me. Why didn't they have a secure outdoor storage container?

Mental.

[anonymous-user]

TheJimi said:

Stores ash in a cupboard, and not just any cupboard, but where the kindling etc is also kept!

Holy juddering fk

fk me. Why didn't they have a secure outdoor storage container?

Mental.

Wouldn't you just put them in a metal bucket outside and fill it with water?

Seriously wonder what is wrong with some people.

[saaby93]

TheJimi said:

fk me. Why didn't they have a secure outdoor storage container?

for keeping the porter?

[Zed Ed]

Or a traditional ash box.

[ReallyReallyGood]

Jeez, lifetime of therapy for that man

[TheJimi]

Joey Deacon said:

TheJimi said:

Stores ash in a cupboard, and not just any cupboard, but where the kindling etc is also kept!

Holy juddering fk

fk me. Why didn't they have a secure outdoor storage container?

Mental.

Wouldn't you just put them in a metal bucket outside and fill it with water?

Seriously wonder what is wrong with some people.

That's what I mean - just a safe, outdoor disposal facility.

I'm honestly aghast at this.

[TheRainMaker]

So the person who has total responsibly for the hotel at night, put the ashes of a fire into a plastic bag and puts that into a cupboard with kindling.

I would suggest the management team need to stop paying minimum wage for roles like this.

[FourWheelDrift]

On the video at the start where it shows him transferring the ashes into the bag there is someone else there watching/supervising him. So he wasn't working alone.

[bstb3]

Well sounds like he would probably need a supervisor to make sure he put the ashes in the bag in the cupboard properly.

Seriously though, what a tragic waste of life for something so criminally stupid, not to mention irresponsible of the hotel not to have resolved after even the first warning (not that one should have been needed).

Its stories like these that really make you realise just how fundamentally brainless people can be sometimes.

[poo at Paul's]

I was a frequent visitor here. Tbh, the staff could be good or utterly inept and disinterested.

I received an electric shock whilst in the shower, from a 240v towel rail in the bath shower ( yes!).
It was not a massive shock but felt like earth leakage issue and dangerous enough as it never tripped.
I reported immediately and they gave no st, went to work, telling them I needed it looked at that day and fixed, came back at 4 and no one had even looked! So I sat and insisted they did, could not believe they allow such voltage in that area. After shrugs, they sent some young lad over, who turned up, and tested it by turning in on a quickly touching it!
I suggested he took his boots off a d filled the bath with an inch of water, and stand in that barefooted then did it but he declined.
Utter muppet.
RIP to the guys that perished here.

[Gareth79]

TheJimi said:

fk me. Why didn't they have a secure outdoor storage container?

They did, but it was full, and nobody bothered to have it emptied.

From: https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/local-news/brea...

article said:

Metal waste bins used to store ash at the back of the hotel were full on the weekend leading up the fire and had not been emptied despite requests from staff.

Also from that article:

article said:

On August 22, 2017, Scottish Fire and Rescue Service (SFRS) carried out an annual audit of the hotel and warned over combustibles being stored in the concierge cupboard. Mr Meehan said they informed hotel management and warned a fire could spread rapidly due to voids and the building’s age and construction. Despite the warnings and an SFRS follow up letter dated November 21 – just one month before the fire – staff continued to store old newspapers and bags of kindling in the cupboard.

IMO it still doesn't excuse the individual staff members though - at the end of the day people do need to have some responsibility for not doing something blindingly unsafe just because they were unable to follow a specific safe procedure (putting it in a metal bin out the back). Any normal person would have made a pile of ashes in the car park away from the buildings and left a huge sign on the manager's desk EMPTY ASH BINS.

I doubt anybody will get prison time (not least because it seems the porter is the only individual mentioned), but pulling some numbers from my head: 3 months for the porter, a month for the guy who watched, and then 12 months for whoever was responsible for implementing the fire safety and bin collections.

Edited by Gareth79 on Friday 22 January 18:29

[poo at Paul's]

Gareth79 said:

TheJimi said:

fk me. Why didn't they have a secure outdoor storage container?

They did, but it was full, and nobody bothered to have it emptied.

From: https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/local-news/brea...

article said:

Metal waste bins used to store ash at the back of the hotel were full on the weekend leading up the fire and had not been emptied despite requests from staff.

Also from that article:

article said:

On August 22, 2017, Scottish Fire and Rescue Service (SFRS) carried out an annual audit of the hotel and warned over combustibles being stored in the concierge cupboard. Mr Meehan said they informed hotel management and warned a fire could spread rapidly due to voids and the building’s age and construction. Despite the warnings and an SFRS follow up letter dated November 21 – just one month before the fire – staff continued to store old newspapers and bags of kindling in the cupboard.

IMO it still doesn't excuse the individual staff members though - at the end of the day people do need to have some responsibility for not doing something blindingly unsafe just because they were unable to follow a specific safe procedure (putting it in a metal bin out the back). Any normal person would have made a pile of ashes in the car park away from the buildings and left a huge sign on the manager's desk EMPTY ASH BINS.

I doubt anybody will get prison time, but pulling some numbers from my head: 3 months for the porter, a month for the guy who watched, and then 12 months for whoever was responsible for implementing the fire safety and bin collections.

Edited by Gareth79 on Friday 22 January 18:26

Ah, so the bins are full, so put it in the cupboard! FFS there’s a fking massive lake 30m away from that storage cupboard!

[TheJimi]

poo at Paul's said:

Gareth79 said:

TheJimi said:

fk me. Why didn't they have a secure outdoor storage container?

They did, but it was full, and nobody bothered to have it emptied.

From: https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/local-news/brea...

article said:

Metal waste bins used to store ash at the back of the hotel were full on the weekend leading up the fire and had not been emptied despite requests from staff.

Also from that article:

article said:

On August 22, 2017, Scottish Fire and Rescue Service (SFRS) carried out an annual audit of the hotel and warned over combustibles being stored in the concierge cupboard. Mr Meehan said they informed hotel management and warned a fire could spread rapidly due to voids and the building’s age and construction. Despite the warnings and an SFRS follow up letter dated November 21 – just one month before the fire – staff continued to store old newspapers and bags of kindling in the cupboard.

IMO it still doesn't excuse the individual staff members though - at the end of the day people do need to have some responsibility for not doing something blindingly unsafe just because they were unable to follow a specific safe procedure (putting it in a metal bin out the back). Any normal person would have made a pile of ashes in the car park away from the buildings and left a huge sign on the manager's desk EMPTY ASH BINS.

I doubt anybody will get prison time, but pulling some numbers from my head: 3 months for the porter, a month for the guy who watched, and then 12 months for whoever was responsible for implementing the fire safety and bin collections.

Edited by Gareth79 on Friday 22 January 18:26

Ah, so the bins are full, so put it in the cupboard! FFS there’s a fking massive lake 30m away from that storage cupboard!

Loch, actually.

[eliot]

if you are stupid enough to put hot ashes in a plastic bag into a cupboard then no amount of training or procedures on how to dispose of hot ashes is going make a juddering difference to the terminally stupid

[Saleen836]

I wonder how the insurance will play out with this

[markcoznottz]

Gareth79 said:

IMO it still doesn't excuse the individual staff members though - at the end of the day people do need to have some responsibility for not doing something blindingly unsafe just because they were unable to follow a specific safe procedure (putting it in a metal bin out the back). Any normal person would have made a pile of ashes in the car park away from the buildings and left a huge sign on the manager's desk EMPTY ASH BINS.

I doubt anybody will get prison time (not least because it seems the porter is the only individual mentioned), but pulling some numbers from my head: 3 months for the porter, a month for the guy who watched, and then 12 months for whoever was responsible for implementing the fire safety and bin collections.

Edited by Gareth79 on Friday 22 January 18:29

Not if the management don’t give a monkeys. The management/owners are ultimately responsible for both deaths. I’m sure most people have worked somewhere like this before.

[poo at Paul's]

TheJimi said:

Loch, actually.

Missus’s favourite film.

[anonymous-user]

I was there a week before.

Posh place, great facilities, dreadful service.

[General Price]

Has it been or is it getting rebuilt?