"No underlying condition"

[Corvid-2020]

My wife (working in pharma / cv vaccines / medical profession) saw this and said she was 3 sigma certain (99.7%) that the person, whom sadly passed away has at least two if not three medical conditions that would count as an underlying condition

1) weight, no disrespect meant, obvs to Naked eye,
2) diabetes, which should show from meds esp with fives births (gestational diabetes occurrence) and
3) graining on nails corroborate 2 manifesting via either liver function issues from weight via option 1) or 2).

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55825283

Wife is touchy on this as her Aunt died of Cancer in November. Quite a few times Covid was mentioned. Her Aunt hadn't been out her house since March 2020 when chemo was stopped and was never tested for Covid, yet the "push" to accept she died of Covid from the hospice / funeral company (whom forgot to take all her jewerly off and buried her with family inheritances...).

We live in strange times.........

[panholio]

Very sad story and I can’t imagine what those kids will go through now. Feel for them and as a father of two young children I find it tough to think about.

I thought about her weight immediately when I saw the article and wondered if someone would post on PH.

Couple of things struck me.... the BBC article pointed out she was “healthy”.

The sister sounds like she has been briefed by Matt Hancock himself. I’m not sure in such a tragic event I would be talking like that and saying “it is real”, “best you just stay at home”, “just follow the rules”. I think I’d be pretty angry if it was my sister and this had happened. I’m not sure I’d be reeling off the government message. I might even blame them, illogically perhaps but angrily.

I’m no tinfoiler, but it feels very odd.

Edited by panholio on Wednesday 27th January 23:16

Edited by panholio on Wednesday 27th January 23:17

[jules_s]

Can somebody explain in simple terms why the stats need to be skewed upwards in terms of Covid deaths?

[greygoose]

Can anyone explain why we need yet another coronavirus thread?

[Corvid-2020]

What is the R rate of CV threads?

[FourWheelDrift]

greygoose said:

Can anyone explain why we need yet another coronavirus thread?

Because it's not general covid it's regarding a story and it will be lost within all the hysteria and bhiness of the big thread.

[Heaveho]

jules_s said:

Can somebody explain in simple terms why the stats need to be skewed upwards in terms of Covid deaths?

To make you believe it's more serious than it really is in order to justify more stringent demands for compliance? I've an open mind either way, but if the rate is being exaggerated, that would be a reason.

CBA with anyone taking issue with this and looking for a row about it, it's just a possible answer to the question, nothing more.

[ChevronB19]

Corvid-2020 said:

What is the R rate of CV threads?

Well you’re certainly increasing it.

[Terminator X]

Corvid-2020 said:

My wife (working in pharma / cv vaccines / medical profession) saw this and said she was 3 sigma certain (99.7%) that the person, whom sadly passed away has at least two if not three medical conditions that would count as an underlying condition

1) weight, no disrespect meant, obvs to Naked eye,
2) diabetes, which should show from meds esp with fives births (gestational diabetes occurrence) and
3) graining on nails corroborate 2 manifesting via either liver function issues from weight via option 1) or 2).

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55825283

Wife is touchy on this as her Aunt died of Cancer in November. Quite a few times Covid was mentioned. Her Aunt hadn't been out her house since March 2020 when chemo was stopped and was never tested for Covid, yet the "push" to accept she died of Covid from the hospice / funeral company (whom forgot to take all her jewerly off and buried her with family inheritances...).

We live in strange times.........

Despite daily scary stories of rare events covid really isn't something to worry the vast majority of people <60 years old [the line that barely leaves zero is <60 YO deaths]:



Below 75 even tbf isn't much of a risk I just can't find the data.

TX.

[ChevronB19]

Terminator X said:

Corvid-2020 said:

My wife (working in pharma / cv vaccines / medical profession) saw this and said she was 3 sigma certain (99.7%) that the person, whom sadly passed away has at least two if not three medical conditions that would count as an underlying condition

1) weight, no disrespect meant, obvs to Naked eye,
2) diabetes, which should show from meds esp with fives births (gestational diabetes occurrence) and
3) graining on nails corroborate 2 manifesting via either liver function issues from weight via option 1) or 2).

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55825283

Wife is touchy on this as her Aunt died of Cancer in November. Quite a few times Covid was mentioned. Her Aunt hadn't been out her house since March 2020 when chemo was stopped and was never tested for Covid, yet the "push" to accept she died of Covid from the hospice / funeral company (whom forgot to take all her jewerly off and buried her with family inheritances...).

We live in strange times.........

Despite daily scary stories of rare events covid really isn't something to worry the vast majority of people <60 years old [the line that barely leaves zero is <60 YO deaths]:



Below 75 even tbf isn't much of a risk I just can't find the data.

TX.

What would your opinion be if you were 61?

[Elysium]

ChevronB19 said:

Terminator X said:

Corvid-2020 said:

My wife (working in pharma / cv vaccines / medical profession) saw this and said she was 3 sigma certain (99.7%) that the person, whom sadly passed away has at least two if not three medical conditions that would count as an underlying condition

1) weight, no disrespect meant, obvs to Naked eye,
2) diabetes, which should show from meds esp with fives births (gestational diabetes occurrence) and
3) graining on nails corroborate 2 manifesting via either liver function issues from weight via option 1) or 2).

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55825283

Wife is touchy on this as her Aunt died of Cancer in November. Quite a few times Covid was mentioned. Her Aunt hadn't been out her house since March 2020 when chemo was stopped and was never tested for Covid, yet the "push" to accept she died of Covid from the hospice / funeral company (whom forgot to take all her jewerly off and buried her with family inheritances...).

We live in strange times.........

Despite daily scary stories of rare events covid really isn't something to worry the vast majority of people <60 years old [the line that barely leaves zero is <60 YO deaths]:



Below 75 even tbf isn't much of a risk I just can't find the data.

TX.

What would your opinion be if you were 61?

Only 10% of COVID deaths have occured in the 81% of the population aged under 65

This falls to 1% for the 55% of the population aged under 45

60% of deaths have been in the 5% of the population aged over 80

4,020 people aged between 60 and 64 have died 'with' COVID. Out of a population of 3.3 million. 12 people in every 10,000

[Sophisticated Sarah]

Strange isn’t it? Most of the “they were healthy” people below the age of 60 have seemed on the high end of the BMI scale.

[Blue62]

ThatGuyWhoDoesStuff said:

Your wife said her certainty lies within 3 standard deviations of the mean certainty?

If I was in conversation with someone and they said they were '3 sigma certain,' I think my eyes would roll back so far I'd see down my own optic nerve.

Also doesn’t understand when to use who or whom.

[Uhtred]

No, the cure is not worse than the disease

[Iminquarantine]

Elysium said:

Only 10% of COVID deaths have occured in the 81% of the population aged under 65

This falls to 1% for the 55% of the population aged under 45

60% of deaths have been in the 5% of the population aged over 80

4,020 people aged between 60 and 64 have died 'with' COVID. Out of a population of 3.3 million. 12 people in every 10,000

I’d say a better way of thinking is your risk of death is between about 1 in 500 to 1 in 100 if you are aged 30-50. That’s a very high risk. Almost everyone would actively avoid risks this large in other aspects of their life.

[glazbagun]

bbc said:

Rachel said her sister, from Cardiff, was healthy with no underlying conditions.

I'm sure Rachel is a good person, but she's not a coroner.

[sutoka]

There are literally hundreds if not thousands of cases were individuals deaths have been put down as Covid-19 when it is clear the person tested negative within 28 days but died of a competely different condition.

I don't think anyone really believed it until this story came out. Lad tested positive but recovered and tested negative a few weeks later. Then he went into hospital for a operation on a heart related issue and died. They put his cause of death down as Covid-19 and his family went on television arguing that it simply was not Covid.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-foy...

[rodericb]

I read or viewed, a few weeks ago now, that in some US states deaths are merely matched up with testing records. Meaning that if someone tested positive within some amount of time and recovered but died of something else then it was added to Covid death numbers. I thought about it a few times in the days and weeks after it and guessed that there must be some sort of statistical wizardry behind that in that you'll wrongly attribute some in the Yes, died from Covid and others will slip through the net somehow into the NO category. Then I thought you can't ignore the whole state versus federal thing and the joint is near civil war so who knows who is fudging things for their own gain.....

[glazbagun]

sutoka said:

There are literally hundreds if not thousands of cases were individuals deaths have been put down as Covid-19 when it is clear the person tested negative within 28 days but died of a competely different condition.

I don't think anyone really believed it until this story came out. Lad tested positive but recovered and tested negative a few weeks later. Then he went into hospital for a operation on a heart related issue and died. They put his cause of death down as Covid-19 and his family went on television arguing that it simply was not Covid.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-foy...

I mean he died within 28 Days of s positive Test so he counts as...

A death within 28 Days of a Positive Test, which is PHE' rough and ready stat of how things are going. It's useful because it's available fast and doesn't need a coronors report like the later ONS reports which take time to compileIt's also useful if you're a hack journalist looking for a gutter grade story.

The original BBC article seems to entirely consist of someone noticing a dead teensger in the reams of stats and writing a whole article with no substance, then writing another implying he's been wrongly recorded when the wrongdoing was by the BBC I normally say we get the media we deserve, but I don't think anyone deserves this!

[JagLover]

Sophisticated Sarah said:

Strange isn’t it? Most of the “they were healthy” people below the age of 60 have seemed on the high end of the BMI scale.

Every single news story in the media in the past couple of weeks about the "healthy" under-50 people dying from Covid-19 have been the obese.

Being obese isn't healthy, it is slowly killing the person, and Covid-19 is just making that faster.

Instead of spreading hysteria the government could have been running public health campaigns.