New "Green" Fuel Cost Increase.
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"Petrol prices will rise for thousands of motorists as the Government rolls out a new greener fuel that is incompatible with older cars.
All petrol stations will sell E10, which is 10 per cent bioethanol, as the standard from September, the Government will announce on Thursday.
The older E5 petrol will be sold as the more expensive super grade and available at the majority of petrol stations.
The switch will add around 1.6 per cent to all drivers’ fuel costs because E10 is less efficient, meaning drivers will have to buy more per mile, the AA said."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/environment/2021/02/25...
Not a huge price increase but another click in the ratchet.
All petrol stations will sell E10, which is 10 per cent bioethanol, as the standard from September, the Government will announce on Thursday.
The older E5 petrol will be sold as the more expensive super grade and available at the majority of petrol stations.
The switch will add around 1.6 per cent to all drivers’ fuel costs because E10 is less efficient, meaning drivers will have to buy more per mile, the AA said."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/environment/2021/02/25...
Not a huge price increase but another click in the ratchet.
So if I understand this correctly Suoer Unleaded will remain.as it is now.
E10 will be regular unleaded?
Just out of interest how would someone know their car cannot use E10? I have an R53.Mini Cooper S which is 18 years old, always use super anyway but it's good information to know.
E10 will be regular unleaded?
Just out of interest how would someone know their car cannot use E10? I have an R53.Mini Cooper S which is 18 years old, always use super anyway but it's good information to know.
irc said:
"Petrol prices will rise for thousands of motorists as the Government rolls out a new greener fuel that is incompatible with older cars.
All petrol stations will sell E10, which is 10 per cent bioethanol, as the standard from September, the Government will announce on Thursday.
The older E5 petrol will be sold as the more expensive super grade and available at the majority of petrol stations.
The switch will add around 1.6 per cent to all drivers’ fuel costs because E10 is less efficient, meaning drivers will have to buy more per mile, the AA said."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/environment/2021/02/25...
Not a huge price increase but another click in the ratchet.
This may be positive for those of us with cars that need high octane fuel with low alcohol content anyway. Some people will be forced to fill with super, making that market bigger and potentially easier to get access to.All petrol stations will sell E10, which is 10 per cent bioethanol, as the standard from September, the Government will announce on Thursday.
The older E5 petrol will be sold as the more expensive super grade and available at the majority of petrol stations.
The switch will add around 1.6 per cent to all drivers’ fuel costs because E10 is less efficient, meaning drivers will have to buy more per mile, the AA said."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/environment/2021/02/25...
Not a huge price increase but another click in the ratchet.
Effectively, if you were already filling with super all the time anyway, it makes no odds to you!
Check to see where your car is on the list:
https://www.gov.uk/check-vehicle-e10-petrol
(One of mine won't enjoy the new stuff, the other is ok)
https://www.gov.uk/check-vehicle-e10-petrol
(One of mine won't enjoy the new stuff, the other is ok)
Cold said:
Check to see where your car is on the list:
https://www.gov.uk/check-vehicle-e10-petrol
(One of mine won't enjoy the new stuff, the other is ok)
What's the least obscure cars that can't use it then? Looks like a few early 2000s VAG engines won't work and can't find anything for TVR.https://www.gov.uk/check-vehicle-e10-petrol
(One of mine won't enjoy the new stuff, the other is ok)
HiAsAKite said:
"Cant find anything for Audi pre 2000"
I misread it.. so is it saying ALL vehicles other than those listed are ok.. no matter how old?
I only had a quick look around cars I own, have owned and would like to own, but it doesn't seem to be in a consistent format. I misread it.. so is it saying ALL vehicles other than those listed are ok.. no matter how old?
Edited by HiAsAKite on Thursday 25th February 22:14
JuanCarlosFandango said:
Cold said:
Check to see where your car is on the list:
https://www.gov.uk/check-vehicle-e10-petrol
(One of mine won't enjoy the new stuff, the other is ok)
What's the least obscure cars that can't use it then? Looks like a few early 2000s VAG engines won't work and can't find anything for TVR.https://www.gov.uk/check-vehicle-e10-petrol
(One of mine won't enjoy the new stuff, the other is ok)
crankedup said:
When was the last budget that increased tax on petrol and derv, it’s about ten years IIRC.
Next week I reckon we can look forward to a increase of a opulent of pence / ltr.
You're right, last change was 2011 (also VAT changed about the same time from 17.5% up to 20% -- it had been as low as 15% in 2009)Next week I reckon we can look forward to a increase of a opulent of pence / ltr.
Condi said:
Isn't most of Europe already on E10? I think so. They don't have any issues with older cars and Italy and France keep hold of their cars far far longer than most UK drivers!
Apparently, as of 2011, all new cars sold in the UK must be E10 compatible.One that I found isn't is the 2.2 motor that you might find in a VX220.
In general, alcohol is bad for rubber, but I think there are some direct-injection motors that have specific problems with E10.
CraigyMc said:
Apparently, as of 2011, all new cars sold in the UK must be E10 compatible.
One that I found isn't is the 2.2 motor that you might find in a VX220.
In general, alcohol is bad for rubber, but I think there are some direct-injection motors that have specific problems with E10.
I think E10 is the limit for Mazda SkyActiv petrols. Could be interesting if the government want the blend to go higher.One that I found isn't is the 2.2 motor that you might find in a VX220.
In general, alcohol is bad for rubber, but I think there are some direct-injection motors that have specific problems with E10.
I'm guessing it's not likely to be a huge issue, it looks like anything after 2000 is generally ok (and Yamaha bikes from 1990 ).
While the much older cars and bikes will presumably have carbs.
For something like the Minor that I used to have, it would probably need a short length of fuel hose replacing (copper pipe all the way from tank to fuel pump though) fuel pump diaphragm and presumably a couple of rubber seals in the carb (I don't think there's many, I never had to disassemble mine).
That's if they haven't been replaced recently anyway as most replacement parts now are suitable for E10 if not more.
The mixture is also adjustable so that shouldn't be an issue.
).While the much older cars and bikes will presumably have carbs.
For something like the Minor that I used to have, it would probably need a short length of fuel hose replacing (copper pipe all the way from tank to fuel pump though) fuel pump diaphragm and presumably a couple of rubber seals in the carb (I don't think there's many, I never had to disassemble mine).
That's if they haven't been replaced recently anyway as most replacement parts now are suitable for E10 if not more.
The mixture is also adjustable so that shouldn't be an issue.
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