Missing teenager found in Epping Forest pond....
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Sad story, but some of the comments in the press from his mum haven't helped matters, i dont think. She's angry, yes, but alleging inaction by police due to "whatever" reason.. He's an adult. He lives with her, but if she cannot stop him going out and doing whatever, how can the police?
BabySharkDooDooDooDooDooDoo said:
Seems that like a number of youngsters, everything became too much for him over the last year 
Easy to see how it happens with the relentless bombardment of doom and gloom news.
Originally she did not know he had even left the building. Then it was that he had gone to meet a friend. Then she was blaming police for not having found started searching areas after 5 days (although they had tracked him on CCTV), now it is the lockdown that killed him. Easy to see how it happens with the relentless bombardment of doom and gloom news.
GMB next, then loose women etc etc.
It's sad, and I'm not going to criticise a grieving mother for reacting in the 'wrong' way.
Friends of ours have a teenage daughter who has tried to commit suicide a number of times. Can you imagine the stress in having to keep knives locked in a drawer, and bleach etc in a locked cupboard, never knowing when the next attempt is going to be, and trying to make sure there is not another attempt in the first place.
It is not a nice place to be.
Friends of ours have a teenage daughter who has tried to commit suicide a number of times. Can you imagine the stress in having to keep knives locked in a drawer, and bleach etc in a locked cupboard, never knowing when the next attempt is going to be, and trying to make sure there is not another attempt in the first place.
It is not a nice place to be.
poo at Paul's said:
BabySharkDooDooDooDooDooDoo said:
Seems that like a number of youngsters, everything became too much for him over the last year
Easy to see how it happens with the relentless bombardment of doom and gloom news.
Originally she did not know he had even left the building. Then it was that he had gone to meet a friend. Then she was blaming police for not having found started searching areas after 5 days (although they had tracked him on CCTV), now it is the lockdown that killed him. Easy to see how it happens with the relentless bombardment of doom and gloom news.
GMB next, then loose women etc etc.
surveyor said:
It's sad, and I'm not going to criticise a grieving mother for reacting in the 'wrong' way.
Friends of ours have a teenage daughter who has tried to commit suicide a number of times. Can you imagine the stress in having to keep knives locked in a drawer, and bleach etc in a locked cupboard, never knowing when the next attempt is going to be, and trying to make sure there is not another attempt in the first place.
It is not a nice place to be.
Quite but hey the mum's said something she apparently shouldn't.Friends of ours have a teenage daughter who has tried to commit suicide a number of times. Can you imagine the stress in having to keep knives locked in a drawer, and bleach etc in a locked cupboard, never knowing when the next attempt is going to be, and trying to make sure there is not another attempt in the first place.
It is not a nice place to be.
Christ imagine criticising her for that.
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hstewie said:
hstewie said:surveyor said:
It's sad, and I'm not going to criticise a grieving mother for reacting in the 'wrong' way.
Friends of ours have a teenage daughter who has tried to commit suicide a number of times. Can you imagine the stress in having to keep knives locked in a drawer, and bleach etc in a locked cupboard, never knowing when the next attempt is going to be, and trying to make sure there is not another attempt in the first place.
It is not a nice place to be.
Quite but hey the mum's said something she apparently shouldn't.Friends of ours have a teenage daughter who has tried to commit suicide a number of times. Can you imagine the stress in having to keep knives locked in a drawer, and bleach etc in a locked cupboard, never knowing when the next attempt is going to be, and trying to make sure there is not another attempt in the first place.
It is not a nice place to be.
Christ imagine criticising her for that.
There was a police 'behind the scenes' TV show a while back about searching for missing people and they were saying often the family would ask them to track the missing person's phone, etc., but an adult in the UK has every right to just walk off and not tell people where they are going so there's only so much the police can do.
poo at Paul's said:
BabySharkDooDooDooDooDooDoo said:
I think we need to cut her a bit of slack. She’s a mother who was terrified he was missing and is now mourning the death of her son. I don’t think many people would be feeling right in that position.
Maybe. Sad, whatever. mantis84 said:
poo at Paul's said:
BabySharkDooDooDooDooDooDoo said:
I think we need to cut her a bit of slack. She’s a mother who was terrified he was missing and is now mourning the death of her son. I don’t think many people would be feeling right in that position.
Maybe. Sad, whatever. Empathy is important, as is respect for a family who have lost a son.
But at the same time, this is also a discussion board, where a range of opinions pertinent to the subject can be expected.
My contribution is that this does perfectly highlight the media's completely inequitable attention to missing person cases.
I think this lad went missing just under 3 weeks after Sarah Everard, but the difference in coverage (even before the alleged killer was arrested) speaks for itself.
Whether that's attributed wholly to race? Doubtful. It's probably not even just gender. It's what sells papers (gets clicks) that counts, and the media know their game well.
That's the media: I have absolutely no idea how vigorous the police were in persuing it initially. I would think like most things it took a while for it push other high priority things lower down the priority list.
But at the same time, this is also a discussion board, where a range of opinions pertinent to the subject can be expected.
My contribution is that this does perfectly highlight the media's completely inequitable attention to missing person cases.
I think this lad went missing just under 3 weeks after Sarah Everard, but the difference in coverage (even before the alleged killer was arrested) speaks for itself.
Whether that's attributed wholly to race? Doubtful. It's probably not even just gender. It's what sells papers (gets clicks) that counts, and the media know their game well.
That's the media: I have absolutely no idea how vigorous the police were in persuing it initially. I would think like most things it took a while for it push other high priority things lower down the priority list.
Ian Geary said:
Empathy is important, as is respect for a family who have lost a son.
But at the same time, this is also a discussion board, where a range of opinions pertinent to the subject can be expected.
My contribution is that this does perfectly highlight the media's completely inequitable attention to missing person cases.
I think this lad went missing just under 3 weeks after Sarah Everard, but the difference in coverage (even before the alleged killer was arrested) speaks for itself.
Whether that's attributed wholly to race? Doubtful. It's probably not even just gender. It's what sells papers (gets clicks) that counts, and the media know their game well.
That's the media: I have absolutely no idea how vigorous the police were in persuing it initially. I would think like most things it took a while for it push other high priority things lower down the priority list.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing_white_woman_syndromeBut at the same time, this is also a discussion board, where a range of opinions pertinent to the subject can be expected.
My contribution is that this does perfectly highlight the media's completely inequitable attention to missing person cases.
I think this lad went missing just under 3 weeks after Sarah Everard, but the difference in coverage (even before the alleged killer was arrested) speaks for itself.
Whether that's attributed wholly to race? Doubtful. It's probably not even just gender. It's what sells papers (gets clicks) that counts, and the media know their game well.
That's the media: I have absolutely no idea how vigorous the police were in persuing it initially. I would think like most things it took a while for it push other high priority things lower down the priority list.
Missing White Woman Syndrome, it's an actual recognised thing regarding missing persons. If the missing person is white, female, usually good looking and slightly upper class the coverage they get is vastly more than a woman of colour or a missing male.
mantis84 said:
Jesus Christ. Never has the saying "if you haven't got anything nice to say..." been more apt. You absolute ghoul.
Oh dear, sorry to offend you precious, flower. As pointed out, this is a discussion board. If you don’t like it, feel free to not read it.
But he was an adult, and chose to leave his home for whatever reason on 22nd March without a coat and meds etc and per the press was reported missing by his family 2 days later.
Police tracked him on cctv to the early hours of the 23rd, a day before they knew he was missing and not seen anything more until they find what turns out to be his body. But we’ve had allegations made about them not bothering to do anything due to ‘his race’ whereas it’s possible he was deceased even before his family had reported him missing!
BBC reporting this evening that he was reported missing on 22nd March, but all other reports say it was two days later, not sure which reports are correct.
I understand his mother being angry, as stated earlier, but what does it achieve to make such allegations? As others have said, it seems they did quite a lot to trace his movements as far as they could. His mother said previously there was nothing that triggered his leaving. She is reported to have said earlier that she did not even know he’d left initially, then said he had left to meet a friend. She’s accused the police of doing nothing initially, then when the Met point out what they’ve been doing, retracted that.
With the information provided, what else could the police do?
May be getting ahead of things, but seems to me likely this lad has taken his own life. There’s 15 to 20 others who did similar in the U.K. today. I’m sure there’s known reasons for some, but not for all. If his own mother says there was nothing that alerted her before he left, again, why would the police do anything other than what they have done?
Edited by poo at Paul's on Friday 9th April 00:38
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