Adam Toledo shooting
Discussion
Not a good time for the US police force.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/apr/15/ch...
I thought that bodycams would reduce instances of shootings of unarmed suspects and similar cases of excessive violence but it doesn’t seem to be playing out that way.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/apr/15/ch...
I thought that bodycams would reduce instances of shootings of unarmed suspects and similar cases of excessive violence but it doesn’t seem to be playing out that way.
Esceptico said:
Not a good time for the US police force.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/apr/15/ch...
I thought that bodycams would reduce instances of shootings of unarmed suspects and similar cases of excessive violence but it doesn’t seem to be playing out that way.
Very sad, although there does seem to be a question mark over whether he was armed or not:https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/apr/15/ch...
I thought that bodycams would reduce instances of shootings of unarmed suspects and similar cases of excessive violence but it doesn’t seem to be playing out that way.
https://youtu.be/XQJO6cS5w2w
Shots fired in a street.
Suspects run.
Suspect seen in footage with gun in his hand. Dark environment, officer has been running, stressful situation.
The next part is where you have the danger of judging everything in a calm environment with the ability to pause footage and rewatch it over and over again. That hindsight leads to decision making in totally different circumstances.
Gun found at scene.
Suspects run.
Suspect seen in footage with gun in his hand. Dark environment, officer has been running, stressful situation.
The next part is where you have the danger of judging everything in a calm environment with the ability to pause footage and rewatch it over and over again. That hindsight leads to decision making in totally different circumstances.
Gun found at scene.
LM240 said:
Shots fired in a street.
Suspects run.
Suspect seen in footage with gun in his hand. Dark environment, officer has been running, stressful situation.
The next part is where you have the danger of judging everything in a calm environment with the ability to pause footage and rewatch it over and over again. That hindsight leads to decision making in totally different circumstances.
Gun found at scene.
Confused, chaotic situation, with a gun present, that will be held up as evidence of police "racism" once again.Suspects run.
Suspect seen in footage with gun in his hand. Dark environment, officer has been running, stressful situation.
The next part is where you have the danger of judging everything in a calm environment with the ability to pause footage and rewatch it over and over again. That hindsight leads to decision making in totally different circumstances.
Gun found at scene.
All that will happen is that the police will try and avoid policing certain neighbourhoods as it will put their careers at risk to do so. The crime rate then goes up and those who most suffer will be the people living there.
JagLover said:
LM240 said:
Shots fired in a street.
Suspects run.
Suspect seen in footage with gun in his hand. Dark environment, officer has been running, stressful situation.
The next part is where you have the danger of judging everything in a calm environment with the ability to pause footage and rewatch it over and over again. That hindsight leads to decision making in totally different circumstances.
Gun found at scene.
Confused, chaotic situation, with a gun present, that will be held up as evidence of police "racism" once again.Suspects run.
Suspect seen in footage with gun in his hand. Dark environment, officer has been running, stressful situation.
The next part is where you have the danger of judging everything in a calm environment with the ability to pause footage and rewatch it over and over again. That hindsight leads to decision making in totally different circumstances.
Gun found at scene.
All that will happen is that the police will try and avoid policing certain neighbourhoods as it will put their careers at risk to do so. The crime rate then goes up and those who most suffer will be the people living there.
https://news.sky.com/story/adam-toledo-bodycam-foo...
The alley has lighting, one streetlight right across from the suspect in fact - the officer's flashlight also appears to have brightly illuminated the suspect, and both hands are clearly visible, none of which have a firearm in them. It appears the gun was tossed, so no immediate threat from the suspect.
The 'chase' was less than 20 seconds long - not exactly enough time for someone to be at a level of exhaustion where their reaction/decision-making abilities may be affected.
Yes, things are different with 'boots on the ground', but I really don't understand why so many on here seem so eager to lick them just because they belong to a 'good guy'.
Taffer said:
Bodycam footage:
https://news.sky.com/story/adam-toledo-bodycam-foo...
The alley has lighting, one streetlight right across from the suspect in fact - the officer's flashlight also appears to have brightly illuminated the suspect, and both hands are clearly visible, none of which have a firearm in them. It appears the gun was tossed, so no immediate threat from the suspect.
The 'chase' was less than 20 seconds long - not exactly enough time for someone to be at a level of exhaustion where their reaction/decision-making abilities may be affected.
Yes, things are different with 'boots on the ground', but I really don't understand why so many on here seem so eager to lick them just because they belong to a 'good guy'.
Orhttps://news.sky.com/story/adam-toledo-bodycam-foo...
The alley has lighting, one streetlight right across from the suspect in fact - the officer's flashlight also appears to have brightly illuminated the suspect, and both hands are clearly visible, none of which have a firearm in them. It appears the gun was tossed, so no immediate threat from the suspect.
The 'chase' was less than 20 seconds long - not exactly enough time for someone to be at a level of exhaustion where their reaction/decision-making abilities may be affected.
Yes, things are different with 'boots on the ground', but I really don't understand why so many on here seem so eager to lick them just because they belong to a 'good guy'.
Shots fired, police called, foot chase, suspect with hands behind back, suspect quickly raise hands (0.8s). Gun found near shot suspect.
Was the quick movement to toss the gun, did the policeman see the as it left suspects hands
I'm not a big police supporter but sometimes the suspects don't help themselves.
LM240 said:
Shots fired in a street.
Suspects run.
Suspect seen in footage with gun in his hand. Dark environment, officer has been running, stressful situation.
The next part is where you have the danger of judging everything in a calm environment with the ability to pause footage and rewatch it over and over again. That hindsight leads to decision making in totally different circumstances.
Gun found at scene.
The police should be trained to be aware and not panic in exactly this kind of situation.Suspects run.
Suspect seen in footage with gun in his hand. Dark environment, officer has been running, stressful situation.
The next part is where you have the danger of judging everything in a calm environment with the ability to pause footage and rewatch it over and over again. That hindsight leads to decision making in totally different circumstances.
Gun found at scene.
Someone says show me your hands, kid raises his hands and is instantly shot.
The expectation that a thirteen year old kid should be more responsible for their actions than trained adults is madness.
chemistry said:
Esceptico said:
Not a good time for the US police force.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/apr/15/ch...
I thought that bodycams would reduce instances of shootings of unarmed suspects and similar cases of excessive violence but it doesn’t seem to be playing out that way.
Very sad, although there does seem to be a question mark over whether he was armed or not:https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/apr/15/ch...
I thought that bodycams would reduce instances of shootings of unarmed suspects and similar cases of excessive violence but it doesn’t seem to be playing out that way.
https://youtu.be/XQJO6cS5w2w
Tragic.
That's what happens when the population carry guns and the police are armed. Hardly surprising.
13 year old kid. All the headlines point that out along with pictures of a typical 13 year old in family photographs.
They don't look or act like 13 year olds in the dark when up to no good.
I have a 14 year old lad. His mum will post pics on FB of a handsome smiley lad.
He's up to no good every night since Covid. He deals drugs, steals money and has been arrested 4 times.
Thank heavens our police are not armed. He's 6ft, bigger and angrier than me plus I have pictures of him looking like a nasty looking druggie.
Pains me to say it.
Middle Class family, private school (when he bothers to turn up) yet a passerby or cop would never see that.
I don't know what the answer is concerning the States but it really is a case of if you don't want to get shot, avoid anything that would involve you getting involved with the police.
That's what happens when the population carry guns and the police are armed. Hardly surprising.
13 year old kid. All the headlines point that out along with pictures of a typical 13 year old in family photographs.
They don't look or act like 13 year olds in the dark when up to no good.
I have a 14 year old lad. His mum will post pics on FB of a handsome smiley lad.
He's up to no good every night since Covid. He deals drugs, steals money and has been arrested 4 times.
Thank heavens our police are not armed. He's 6ft, bigger and angrier than me plus I have pictures of him looking like a nasty looking druggie.
Pains me to say it.
Middle Class family, private school (when he bothers to turn up) yet a passerby or cop would never see that.
I don't know what the answer is concerning the States but it really is a case of if you don't want to get shot, avoid anything that would involve you getting involved with the police.
The issue here, and shown repeatedly on body cam footage across multiple events, is that American police will shoot you for following their exact instructions.
The boy raised his hands as instructed. He was shot.
Drivers reaching for their ignition as instructed, "he's got a gun!"
Don't comply to their instructions and they're still pointing a gun in your face. Or sometimes a Glock Taser. And they're still going to sit on your neck and choke you.
The boy raised his hands as instructed. He was shot.
Drivers reaching for their ignition as instructed, "he's got a gun!"
Don't comply to their instructions and they're still pointing a gun in your face. Or sometimes a Glock Taser. And they're still going to sit on your neck and choke you.
croyde said:
Who'd be a cop in some place like Chicago?
Fewer and fewer, and they are leaving in droves The same is happening in the U.K. to a lesser extent
When the job becomes untenable people walk away and you can’t recruit, it just isn’t worth it
The US is rapidly becoming un policed and un policeable
SmoothCriminal said:
BBC biased reporting making out like he was some innocent kid gunned down in the street by a racist cop honestly the reporting is laughable.
No mention of him or his friend shooting at passing cars.
No mention of him tossing a gun.
No mention of a gun found behind the fence.
To be fair to the BBC they do mention it in their article on their websiteNo mention of him or his friend shooting at passing cars.
No mention of him tossing a gun.
No mention of a gun found behind the fence.
BBC said:
According to prosecutors, the teenager was with a 21-year-old man, Ruben Roman, who had just fired a gun at a passing car. The gunfire drew police to the area, resulting in the deadly confrontation.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-56768217According to other reports about eight shots had been fired at passing cars.
coppernorks said:
I doubt there is a spike in these incidents, due to the Chauvin case every situation where a white cop draws
his gun on a black man gives all the cop haters a trouser tent.
Compared to the people who get a hard on over a teenager getting gunnned down... They seem to be quite rational and sensible. his gun on a black man gives all the cop haters a trouser tent.
Maybe cops in the US have done something to deserve all the hate they get.
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