India and covid
Discussion
It's not looking good for India at the moment.
Despite starting the pandemic with incredibly low infection numbers and then a very harsh lockdown, it seems the wave has caught up with them.
I guess the sheer size of the population puts the 2800+ deaths a day into perspective though, although every death represents a family member to someone
Got to wonder also whether the nation can really afford a modern level of health care with such vast population numbers, and how the government can co ordinate across a whole subcontinent.
Despite starting the pandemic with incredibly low infection numbers and then a very harsh lockdown, it seems the wave has caught up with them.
I guess the sheer size of the population puts the 2800+ deaths a day into perspective though, although every death represents a family member to someone
Got to wonder also whether the nation can really afford a modern level of health care with such vast population numbers, and how the government can co ordinate across a whole subcontinent.
Ian Geary said:
It's not looking good for India at the moment.
Despite starting the pandemic with incredibly low infection numbers and then a very harsh lockdown, it seems the wave has caught up with them.
I guess the sheer size of the population puts the 2800+ deaths a day into perspective though, although every death represents a family member to someone
Got to wonder also whether the nation can really afford a modern level of health care with such vast population numbers, and how the government can co ordinate across a whole subcontinent.
Spend less on nuclear weapons that might help. As would not having the government that they have at the moment. Despite starting the pandemic with incredibly low infection numbers and then a very harsh lockdown, it seems the wave has caught up with them.
I guess the sheer size of the population puts the 2800+ deaths a day into perspective though, although every death represents a family member to someone
Got to wonder also whether the nation can really afford a modern level of health care with such vast population numbers, and how the government can co ordinate across a whole subcontinent.
anonymous said:
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Bo Ying you say? No he didn't die of covid, he died of re- education. He was learning how not to be ill.Fung Lee? No she didn't die of covid, that traitorous snake caught covid against the instructions of the party and was shot as punishment.
Combined with a lock down which has meant not leaving your apartment and being shipped off to a government run hotel if you've been on contact with someone who had it (in Hong Kong, so no doubt elsewhere) means that any restrictions we've had are unnoticeable really.
Don't Indias numbers need to be seen in context?
India has a population of 1.4 billion, 20 times the UK population.
Therefore their 2806 deaths yesterday, adjusted for population, is the equivalent of the UK having 140 deaths in a day.
They could go to 20k deaths per day and still be at about the same as our peak of 1000 deaths per day....
India has a population of 1.4 billion, 20 times the UK population.
Therefore their 2806 deaths yesterday, adjusted for population, is the equivalent of the UK having 140 deaths in a day.
They could go to 20k deaths per day and still be at about the same as our peak of 1000 deaths per day....
Its a result of large numbers of people in dense population pockets, lots of poverty, poor education, poor welfare state, and poor health infrastructure for size of population.
It sounds horrific, and was / is reportedly similar to scenes seen in Brazil middle of last year.
The inconvenient truth for both sides of the "everyone will die" vs "just a bit of flu" debate is that it IS a contagious respiratory disease. One that spreads easily and can affect certain people very badly. That's the same the world over. When Govts step in to try to manage it, get things wrong and it results in either low cases, low deaths, but terrible for economy and mood of the nation, or lots of deaths, health service overun, no oxygen, people bartering for basic treatment that may save their or loved ones lives.
To find a suitable middle ground is clearly very difficult. I don't think UK has got everything right, neither has NZ, Australian, Japan Singapore etc. But i think I would rather be in any of those places just now, than India.
The press and Govts will have us believe this has suddenly deteriorated in India out of the blue in a few weeks, whereas the reality is it has very much been there in the background and building and building for months. But it CAN go very pear shaped in a few weeks if things are not monitored and things not put in place to reduce spread. No doubt on that, it even happened in UK in the run up to Xmas and shortly thereafter.
It is ironic that UK has been receiving vaccines made in India in the last 6 weeks, during round 2 of the EU vaccine tusssle. India is very big on pharma manufacture, they make extraordinarly large quantities of many generic drugs used across the globe. The current situation there will be having an impact on other countries' health systems soon.
It sounds horrific, and was / is reportedly similar to scenes seen in Brazil middle of last year.
The inconvenient truth for both sides of the "everyone will die" vs "just a bit of flu" debate is that it IS a contagious respiratory disease. One that spreads easily and can affect certain people very badly. That's the same the world over. When Govts step in to try to manage it, get things wrong and it results in either low cases, low deaths, but terrible for economy and mood of the nation, or lots of deaths, health service overun, no oxygen, people bartering for basic treatment that may save their or loved ones lives.
To find a suitable middle ground is clearly very difficult. I don't think UK has got everything right, neither has NZ, Australian, Japan Singapore etc. But i think I would rather be in any of those places just now, than India.
The press and Govts will have us believe this has suddenly deteriorated in India out of the blue in a few weeks, whereas the reality is it has very much been there in the background and building and building for months. But it CAN go very pear shaped in a few weeks if things are not monitored and things not put in place to reduce spread. No doubt on that, it even happened in UK in the run up to Xmas and shortly thereafter.
It is ironic that UK has been receiving vaccines made in India in the last 6 weeks, during round 2 of the EU vaccine tusssle. India is very big on pharma manufacture, they make extraordinarly large quantities of many generic drugs used across the globe. The current situation there will be having an impact on other countries' health systems soon.
Kateg28 said:
I have a team out there and two have COVID and another has just lost her brother in law.
The whole team and their wider colleagues are very scared.
This is very difficult to manage remotely and it depends on the circumstances they live and work in. But remind them of the basics. Stay away from people, particularly indoors, hand, face and general hygeine, stay away from other people where you can, ventilate rooms and consider fans not aircon in buildings, social distance, stay away from people if you can.....The whole team and their wider colleagues are very scared.
Like it or not, (and realistically, no one dies like it), the social distancing is the biggest thing you can do to not catch this.
And with what is going on in India, with the hospitals struggling, it is probably the best idea right now, ie to try to not catch it, no matter what age or health they are in.
I hope they stay safe.
grombot said:
Don't Indias numbers need to be seen in context?
India has a population of 1.4 billion, 20 times the UK population.
Therefore their 2806 deaths yesterday, adjusted for population, is the equivalent of the UK having 140 deaths in a day.
They could go to 20k deaths per day and still be at about the same as our peak of 1000 deaths per day....
India has a population of 1.4 billion, 20 times the UK population.
Therefore their 2806 deaths yesterday, adjusted for population, is the equivalent of the UK having 140 deaths in a day.
They could go to 20k deaths per day and still be at about the same as our peak of 1000 deaths per day....
2 million Indian kids die each year and no one gives a s
t or sends help with vaccines. But now it’s Covid killing a few thousand a week we need to be sending thoughts and prayers 
India = nuclear power......space race.
The poverty level there is staggering in view of the above, even before you think about the class divide amongt the poulation. I think this will get much much worse in the coming weeks due to the lack of a cogent health service and the social conditions (overcrowding) in the large conurbations especially.
There is a school of thought that this pandemic is nature's way of reducing over-population throughout the world although China has apparently escaped this according to their official figure,hmmm.
I personally don't believe that 'nature' is a sentient entity thinking " time to chop a few off the list" but other factors are at play such as overcrowding, poverty and ignorance, amongst others.
Don't get me started on the 'It's Gods Will' garbage.
BabySharkDooDooDooDooDooDoo said:
2 million Indian kids die each year and no one gives a s
t or sends help with vaccines. But now it’s Covid killing a few thousand a week we need to be sending thoughts and prayers maybe easier to send 'actual' aid in respect of vaccines/equipment as it doesn't end up in people's "back pockets"
grombot said:
Don't Indias numbers need to be seen in context?
India has a population of 1.4 billion, 20 times the UK population.
Therefore their 2806 deaths yesterday, adjusted for population, is the equivalent of the UK having 140 deaths in a day.
They could go to 20k deaths per day and still be at about the same as our peak of 1000 deaths per day....
Think you missed a 0 there. If India has a population of 1.4 billion and the UK 70 million (0.07 billion), then they actually have 200 times the population of the UK. It's kind of hard to get your head around that scale.India has a population of 1.4 billion, 20 times the UK population.
Therefore their 2806 deaths yesterday, adjusted for population, is the equivalent of the UK having 140 deaths in a day.
They could go to 20k deaths per day and still be at about the same as our peak of 1000 deaths per day....
BabySharkDooDooDooDooDooDoo said:
grombot said:
Don't Indias numbers need to be seen in context?
India has a population of 1.4 billion, 20 times the UK population.
Therefore their 2806 deaths yesterday, adjusted for population, is the equivalent of the UK having 140 deaths in a day.
They could go to 20k deaths per day and still be at about the same as our peak of 1000 deaths per day....
India has a population of 1.4 billion, 20 times the UK population.
Therefore their 2806 deaths yesterday, adjusted for population, is the equivalent of the UK having 140 deaths in a day.
They could go to 20k deaths per day and still be at about the same as our peak of 1000 deaths per day....
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