Bonuses for not killing workers.
Discussion
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/apr/28/b...
Should bosses be rewarded for zero workplace deaths?
SD.
Should bosses be rewarded for zero workplace deaths?
SD.
What's the alternative? You either positively reward someone for meeting a metric you have an interest in meeting, or you punish them when they fail to meet the metric. The deduction from the reward package listed in the article puts a very low value on the metric.
As someone who likes to think of themselves as a decent human (sometimes), I'd prefer to see the "reward" being entirely separate from the rest of the remuneration package, and a "good year" results in a company wide reward, but I do recognise that £1.72 each isn't that enticing
As someone who likes to think of themselves as a decent human (sometimes), I'd prefer to see the "reward" being entirely separate from the rest of the remuneration package, and a "good year" results in a company wide reward, but I do recognise that £1.72 each isn't that enticing
Not having a reportable injury was removed from my list of KPI’s a few years ago as it encourages under reporting.
This is different. If a senior executive is not paid his bonus because of a fatality anywhere in the business then it means they will be inclined to accept the costs associated with prohibiting cost cutting.
To put it another way, would The Guardian be happier if their bonus was unaffected by a fatality in the organisation?
This is different. If a senior executive is not paid his bonus because of a fatality anywhere in the business then it means they will be inclined to accept the costs associated with prohibiting cost cutting.
To put it another way, would The Guardian be happier if their bonus was unaffected by a fatality in the organisation?
One of the most dangerous workplaces I've ever worked hadn't had an LTI for 3 years. Nothing at all to do with the $3000 safety bonus at the end of the year for all who worked there.
Make it a bonus just for the managers, they will tie up the workers in so much red tape and safety systems nothing will actually get done.
There is a happy medium to be met using all reasonable and practicable precautions. But I'm yet to realistically see that for myself, just more paperwork.
Financial rewards may achieve the result needed, but from 2 completely impractical angles. Personal gain financially shouldn't ever come into the safety equation IMO.
Make it a bonus just for the managers, they will tie up the workers in so much red tape and safety systems nothing will actually get done.
There is a happy medium to be met using all reasonable and practicable precautions. But I'm yet to realistically see that for myself, just more paperwork.
Financial rewards may achieve the result needed, but from 2 completely impractical angles. Personal gain financially shouldn't ever come into the safety equation IMO.
Stick Legs said:
To put it another way, would The Guardian be happier if their bonus was unaffected by a fatality in the organisation?
No the Guardian would not be happy, could you imagine that? As long as there is private property the Guardian will be a sea of abject misery, read by the miserable. Worse than the Mail, at least they can function without begging.
InitialDave said:
Our company wide bonus incorporates whether the site has met its target for number of safety corrective actions identified, which is a good way to do it. It doesn't discourage incident reporting, and encourages people to think about ways to remove risks and hazards.
Again a target can create a situation where false reporting can result in potential safety situations been missed. Or incorrect trends been identified. A worksite I was on demanded a STOP card from everyone, everyday.
The safety guy then had 120 cards to sift through of which most were failure to use trailing hand technique on stairs and water tight doors were left open everyday. Of course these were false as people had to create a card. There might be at best 5% genuine ones amongst the crap.
Thankfully within my industry they have finally relented on numbers, and prefer to have a low number of quality genuine cards, rather than 98% bulls
t everyday. Uggers said:
InitialDave said:
Our company wide bonus incorporates whether the site has met its target for number of safety corrective actions identified, which is a good way to do it. It doesn't discourage incident reporting, and encourages people to think about ways to remove risks and hazards.
Again a target can create a situation where false reporting can result in potential safety situations been missed. Or incorrect trends been identified. A worksite I was on demanded a STOP card from everyone, everyday.
The safety guy then had 120 cards to sift through of which most were failure to use trailing hand technique on stairs and water tight doors were left open everyday. Of course these were false as people had to create a card. There might be at best 5% genuine ones amongst the crap.
Thankfully within my industry they have finally relented on numbers, and prefer to have a low number of quality genuine cards, rather than 98% bulls
t everyday. Never worked in that industry myself but a friend who works for one of the big companies, out of offices in Surrey, told me about such a system being deployed company wide. Maybe it's worthwhile on a rig, but in the offices people ended up having to report bs like "he walked up the stairs carrying a mug of coffee with no lid on it" and "I estimate his speed in the car park was 7mph, exceeding the 5mph limit". It led to ill-feeling between some colleagues and there was a general disdain for it.
shed driver said:
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/apr/28/b...
Should bosses be rewarded for zero workplace deaths?
SD.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ob1rYlCpOnMShould bosses be rewarded for zero workplace deaths?
SD.
in 1975 no one died
in 1976 no one died
...
in 1980 someone died
in 1981 no one died.....
Jinx said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ob1rYlCpOnM
in 1975 no one died
in 1976 no one died
...
in 1980 someone died
in 1981 no one died.....
in 1975 no one died
in 1976 no one died
...
in 1980 someone died
in 1981 no one died.....
Not really funny, I know, but this always springs to mind whenever workplace deaths are mentioned.
Jinx said:
shed driver said:
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/apr/28/b...
Should bosses be rewarded for zero workplace deaths?
SD.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ob1rYlCpOnMShould bosses be rewarded for zero workplace deaths?
SD.
in 1975 no one died
in 1976 no one died
...
in 1980 someone died
in 1981 no one died.....
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