Wales results why so slow in being declared?
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Labour holding key seats in Wales...and taken the Rhondda
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-wales-57009549
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-wales-57009549
Roger Awan-Scully, head of politics and international relations at Cardiff University, said: "I think it's been an astonishing, resilient performance by the Welsh Labour Party, amidst disasters for Labour elsewhere in the UK.
"The Conservatives are also performing strongly, but not quite bringing it home in terms of the number of constituency victories that they might have expected.
"I think for the Conservatives it's going to be really crucial later today and perhaps into tomorrow - can they see in their regional list vote the same strength they've seen in the constituencies?
"For Plaid Cymru I think this has to be said to be a deeply disappointing election."
"The Conservatives are also performing strongly, but not quite bringing it home in terms of the number of constituency victories that they might have expected.
"I think for the Conservatives it's going to be really crucial later today and perhaps into tomorrow - can they see in their regional list vote the same strength they've seen in the constituencies?
"For Plaid Cymru I think this has to be said to be a deeply disappointing election."
Byker28i said:
Roger Awan-Scully, head of politics and international relations at Cardiff University, said: "I think it's been an astonishing, resilient performance by the Welsh Labour Party, amidst disasters for Labour elsewhere in the UK.
"The Conservatives are also performing strongly, but not quite bringing it home in terms of the number of constituency victories that they might have expected.
"I think for the Conservatives it's going to be really crucial later today and perhaps into tomorrow - can they see in their regional list vote the same strength they've seen in the constituencies?
"For Plaid Cymru I think this has to be said to be a deeply disappointing election."
I think it's rather hard to generalise like that. If anything we're just seeing the polarisation one expect between the North and South, the urban/industrial and rural, and the border areas where there have been a large influx of English and the more traditionally Welsh."The Conservatives are also performing strongly, but not quite bringing it home in terms of the number of constituency victories that they might have expected.
"I think for the Conservatives it's going to be really crucial later today and perhaps into tomorrow - can they see in their regional list vote the same strength they've seen in the constituencies?
"For Plaid Cymru I think this has to be said to be a deeply disappointing election."
One of the key changes since the last election around here, for example, is UKIP falling off the map. They polled something like 10% of the vote at the last election. In the current election that vote dropped pretty much straight into the lap of the Conservatives. So what on the surface looks like a good outcome for the incumbent Conservative, majority increased by about 5%, in reality probably represents losing quite a few votes to Plaid.
Round here the big change is that the "progressive vote" (the somewhat pejorative term for anything that isn't characterised as right wing) is now much more evenly split between Plaid, Lib Dems and Labour.
And while I'm rambling on, I was an observer at our count which allows you to see a sample of the voting slips from the individual ballot boxes and to therefore get an idea of how the parties are doing village by village and town by town. Results were utterly predictable when viewed in that context, e.g. border village full of newish build mid-market houses from recent expansion full of English retirees ... huge Conservative lead, zero Plaid. Mid-Welsh town with big native Welsh speaking community and influx of English hippies ... no Conservatives, big Plaid lead.
ATG said:
I think it's rather hard to generalise like that. If anything we're just seeing the polarisation one expect between the North and South, the urban/industrial and rural, and the border areas where there have been a large influx of English and the more traditionally Welsh.
One of the key changes since the last election around here, for example, is UKIP falling off the map. They polled something like 10% of the vote at the last election. In the current election that vote dropped pretty much straight into the lap of the Conservatives. So what on the surface looks like a good outcome for the incumbent Conservative, majority increased by about 5%, in reality probably represents losing quite a few votes to Plaid.
Round here the big change is that the "progressive vote" (the somewhat pejorative term for anything that isn't characterised as right wing) is now much more evenly split between Plaid, Lib Dems and Labour.
And while I'm rambling on, I was an observer at our count which allows you to see a sample of the voting slips from the individual ballot boxes and to therefore get an idea of how the parties are doing village by village and town by town. Results were utterly predictable when viewed in that context, e.g. border village full of newish build mid-market houses from recent expansion full of English retirees ... huge Conservative lead, zero Plaid. Mid-Welsh town with big native Welsh speaking community and influx of English hippies ... no Conservatives, big Plaid lead.
The Welsh must be pleased with the multi-culturism that they are experiencing. One of the key changes since the last election around here, for example, is UKIP falling off the map. They polled something like 10% of the vote at the last election. In the current election that vote dropped pretty much straight into the lap of the Conservatives. So what on the surface looks like a good outcome for the incumbent Conservative, majority increased by about 5%, in reality probably represents losing quite a few votes to Plaid.
Round here the big change is that the "progressive vote" (the somewhat pejorative term for anything that isn't characterised as right wing) is now much more evenly split between Plaid, Lib Dems and Labour.
And while I'm rambling on, I was an observer at our count which allows you to see a sample of the voting slips from the individual ballot boxes and to therefore get an idea of how the parties are doing village by village and town by town. Results were utterly predictable when viewed in that context, e.g. border village full of newish build mid-market houses from recent expansion full of English retirees ... huge Conservative lead, zero Plaid. Mid-Welsh town with big native Welsh speaking community and influx of English hippies ... no Conservatives, big Plaid lead.
JagLover said:
They also seem very slow in London.
Some councils just get on with it by the looks of things while others use Covid as an excuse why its going to take much longer than normal.
It depends on what the council can get access too. They need a bigger space. A council near me has moved it’s count from Towcester town hall to Silverstone conference centre. Not every council can do that either due to lack of bigger venues or lack of landlords willing to help.Some councils just get on with it by the looks of things while others use Covid as an excuse why its going to take much longer than normal.
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