Spain / Morocco tensions in Ceuta and Melilla
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https://apnews.com/article/spain-europe-africa-mor...
"Spain deployed its military to the Moroccan border Tuesday and expelled nearly half of the thousands of migrants who jumped fences or swam onto European soil over two days after Rabat loosened border controls amid a deepening diplomatic spat."
Spain getting all edgy and possessive about it's Moroccan cities being "invaded" by Moroccans that were ceded to them by Portugal in 1668. And still demanding in the background Gibraltar back that was ceded to us in 1713.
"Spain deployed its military to the Moroccan border Tuesday and expelled nearly half of the thousands of migrants who jumped fences or swam onto European soil over two days after Rabat loosened border controls amid a deepening diplomatic spat."
Spain getting all edgy and possessive about it's Moroccan cities being "invaded" by Moroccans that were ceded to them by Portugal in 1668. And still demanding in the background Gibraltar back that was ceded to us in 1713.
I saw this on the BBC News channel yesterday, and wondered why Spain had put fences up to keep out people wading across the Strait of Gibraltar. I really had no idea that Spain had two city states in Morocco until I googled Ceuta last night.
One road in and out, plus a pedestrian gate, and fences going out to the low tide line. Really quite odd to be hanging onto a territory like that now, but I guess the same could be said about Gibraltar.
One road in and out, plus a pedestrian gate, and fences going out to the low tide line. Really quite odd to be hanging onto a territory like that now, but I guess the same could be said about Gibraltar.
clockworks said:
I saw this on the BBC News channel yesterday, and wondered why Spain had put fences up to keep out people wading across the Strait of Gibraltar. I really had no idea that Spain had two city states in Morocco until I googled Ceuta last night.
Most people don't, generally those most vocal about us 'giving back' Gib to the Spanish. clockworks said:
I saw this on the BBC News channel yesterday, and wondered why Spain had put fences up to keep out people wading across the Strait of Gibraltar. I really had no idea that Spain had two city states in Morocco until I googled Ceuta last night.
That is the ironic thing when you hear of Spain's claims on Gibraltar.FourWheelDrift said:
Spain getting all edgy and possessive about it's Moroccan cities being "invaded" by Moroccans that were ceded to them by Portugal in 1668. And still demanding in the background Gibraltar back that was ceded to us in 1713.
"invaded"So you're basically saying it's a bit absurd that Spain is holding on to these small oversea territories ? (although with the difference that Cueta is close to Spanish soil and part of it's territorial waters).
Which of course is entirely correct, like Ceuta Gibraltar itself is nothing but a relic of empire as well. A nationalistic, old fashioned symbol of perceived power. Which of course the English defend in a rather backhanded way by saying "it's the will of the people of Girbraltar". Of course people that either have an English passport or are bought (with jobs and fyscal advantages) vote as expected.
It almost seems as if England still hasn't quite come to terms with idea that the post WWII world is one of alliances and partnerships and that the power balance has shifted from former world powers like France and England to the current world powers USA and China. While the US establishes bases in distant allied country's based on present day contractual obligations and partnerships, England still desperately clinges on to one esthablished on over 400 years ago stolen property.
DeltonaS said:
England still desperately clinges on to one esthablished on over 400 years ago stolen property.
It was not stolen it was ceded as party of the Treaty of Utrecht, just as Ceuta and Melilla were ceded to Spain, perhaps you should stop being a hypocrite. The Dutch seized Aruba from the Spanish during the 30 years war, that is the definition of stealing.DeltonaS said:
FourWheelDrift said:
Spain getting all edgy and possessive about it's Moroccan cities being "invaded" by Moroccans that were ceded to them by Portugal in 1668. And still demanding in the background Gibraltar back that was ceded to us in 1713.
"invaded"So you're basically saying it's a bit absurd that Spain is holding on to these small oversea territories ? (although with the difference that Cueta is close to Spanish soil and part of it's territorial waters).
Which of course is entirely correct, like Ceuta Gibraltar itself is nothing but a relic of empire as well. A nationalistic, old fashioned symbol of perceived power. Which of course the English defend in a rather backhanded way by saying "it's the will of the people of Girbraltar". Of course people that either have an English passport or are bought (with jobs and fyscal advantages) vote as expected.
It almost seems as if England still hasn't quite come to terms with idea that the post WWII world is one of alliances and partnerships and that the power balance has shifted from former world powers like France and England to the current world powers USA and China. While the US establishes bases in distant allied country's based on present day contractual obligations and partnerships, England still desperately clinges on to one esthablished on over 400 years ago stolen property.
matchmaker said:
DeltonaS said:
FourWheelDrift said:
Spain getting all edgy and possessive about it's Moroccan cities being "invaded" by Moroccans that were ceded to them by Portugal in 1668. And still demanding in the background Gibraltar back that was ceded to us in 1713.
"invaded"So you're basically saying it's a bit absurd that Spain is holding on to these small oversea territories ? (although with the difference that Cueta is close to Spanish soil and part of it's territorial waters).
Which of course is entirely correct, like Ceuta Gibraltar itself is nothing but a relic of empire as well. A nationalistic, old fashioned symbol of perceived power. Which of course the English defend in a rather backhanded way by saying "it's the will of the people of Girbraltar". Of course people that either have an English passport or are bought (with jobs and fyscal advantages) vote as expected.
It almost seems as if England still hasn't quite come to terms with idea that the post WWII world is one of alliances and partnerships and that the power balance has shifted from former world powers like France and England to the current world powers USA and China. While the US establishes bases in distant allied country's based on present day contractual obligations and partnerships, England still desperately clinges on to one esthablished on over 400 years ago stolen property.
Unless he would be good enough to share posts he has made on Le Piston Tetes where he makes clear the French need to get with the modern world and understand they are not ‘exceptionale’ but are instead a bunch of superannuated, racist, colonial has beens.
Except he can’t because the darling walking chip on shoulder is weirdly obsessed about the English.
vaud said:
Unbusy said:
As I was reading it I was anticipating the reactions 
and assumed it was a wind up.
He never fails to deliver! England? Yeah man
“Le Piston Tetes“
"têtes de piston" and assumed it was a wind up.He never fails to deliver! England? Yeah man
“Le Piston Tetes“
mrporsche said:
What happened to refugees welcome ?
Do the spanish not want them ??
Not just the Spanish.Do the spanish not want them ??
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/05/11/michel...
DeltonaS said:
FourWheelDrift said:
Spain getting all edgy and possessive about it's Moroccan cities being "invaded" by Moroccans that were ceded to them by Portugal in 1668. And still demanding in the background Gibraltar back that was ceded to us in 1713.
"invaded"So you're basically saying it's a bit absurd that Spain is holding on to these small oversea territories ? (although with the difference that Cueta is close to Spanish soil and part of it's territorial waters).
Which of course is entirely correct, like Ceuta Gibraltar itself is nothing but a relic of empire as well. A nationalistic, old fashioned symbol of perceived power. Which of course the English defend in a rather backhanded way by saying "it's the will of the people of Girbraltar". Of course people that either have an English passport or are bought (with jobs and fyscal advantages) vote as expected.
It almost seems as if England still hasn't quite come to terms with idea that the post WWII world is one of alliances and partnerships and that the power balance has shifted from former world powers like France and England to the current world powers USA and China. While the US establishes bases in distant allied country's based on present day contractual obligations and partnerships, England still desperately clinges on to one esthablished on over 400 years ago stolen property.
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