Classified Docs found at bus stop.
Classified Docs found at bus stop.
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Alucidnation

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16,810 posts

194 months

Sunday 27th June 2021
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"Concerned, so took the docs to the BBC".

Good idea.

rolleyes



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57624942

Fat Fairy

509 posts

210 months

Sunday 27th June 2021
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Cue more training on Document/Laptop security for everyone in the Forces.

Missing the point of who was doing the 'losing' of such documents, and targeting THEM...

FF

bristolracer

5,893 posts

173 months

Sunday 27th June 2021
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Fat Fairy said:
Cue more training on Document/Laptop security for everyone in the Forces.

Missing the point of who was doing the 'losing' of such documents, and targeting THEM...

FF
Unless your intelligence handler tells to leave this file at a bus stop so that it will end up in the hands of a BBC journalist who owns a computer that the KGB can easily hack

Seriously though, who carries a single classified file about with them, that they don't carry in a case or messenger bag?
I mean nobody ever looks at what others are reading on the bus
Either someone is very very stupid or that file was supposed to get lost

Cyder

7,182 posts

244 months

Sunday 27th June 2021
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Are the BBC in breach of the OSA for disclosing this and what the files were? If I remember correctly everyone is bound by the act whether they’ve ‘signed it’ or not.

ThunderSpook

3,888 posts

235 months

Sunday 27th June 2021
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You also can’t just carry secret stuff like that, it has to be double bagged with only the inner package being marked secret.

Once the outer bag had been opened then the inner bag will have had sufficient warning on it not to open it any further.

If it was truly found like that then someone potentially did it on purpose.

JagLover

46,167 posts

259 months

Sunday 27th June 2021
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Given the information contained this looks like a deliberate plant to reach the media.

Chicken Chaser

8,888 posts

248 months

Sunday 27th June 2021
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JagLover said:
Given the information contained this looks like a deliberate plant to reach the media.
Of course it is, as well as the likelihood of the finder handing it to the media. This isn't a case of someone just forgetting to pick it up alongside their shopping when catching the no.7

Alucidnation

Original Poster:

16,810 posts

194 months

Sunday 27th June 2021
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Chicken Chaser said:
JagLover said:
Given the information contained this looks like a deliberate plant to reach the media.
Of course it is, as well as the likelihood of the finder handing it to the media. This isn't a case of someone just forgetting to pick it up alongside their shopping when catching the no.7
Indeed.

Looks to me like deflection away from MH!

rxe

6,700 posts

127 months

Sunday 27th June 2021
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bristolracer said:
Unless your intelligence handler tells to leave this file at a bus stop so that it will end up in the hands of a BBC journalist who owns a computer that the KGB can easily hack

Seriously though, who carries a single classified file about with them, that they don't carry in a case or messenger bag?
I mean nobody ever looks at what others are reading on the bus
Either someone is very very stupid or that file was supposed to get lost
I’ll go further - who prints stuff out?

I currently work in a very secure environment (though probably a bit less secure than people who decide to annoy the Russians). No one prints. Ever. Everything “normal” is maintained on an irritatingly secure laptop. Everything secure is on a different laptop that bricks itself if you look at it the wrong way.

If there was a printer in the office (there isn’t), we’d get a bloke from security poling up every time we used it.

Ivan stewart

2,792 posts

60 months

Sunday 27th June 2021
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JagLover said:
Given the information contained this looks like a deliberate plant to reach the media.
Wonder how many copies got handed into the police before it got to the correct recipient??
Or would a agent just pretend they were a member of the public and hand it in ??

ApexCult

4,922 posts

177 months

Sunday 27th June 2021
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rxe said:
I’ll go further - who prints stuff out?

I currently work in a very secure environment (though probably a bit less secure than people who decide to annoy the Russians). No one prints. Ever. Everything “normal” is maintained on an irritatingly secure laptop. Everything secure is on a different laptop that bricks itself if you look at it the wrong way.

If there was a printer in the office (there isn’t), we’d get a bloke from security poling up every time we used it.
Exactly, anything Secret and above needs to be held on a register that the MOD police could turn up unannounced and audit. The days of dusty dossiers are over!

ThunderSpook

3,888 posts

235 months

Sunday 27th June 2021
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This is the thing, because it’s all on a register then surely whoever had this information signed out to them will lose their security clearance and basically ruin their careers. It’s not as easy as just printing it out and leaving it somewhere.

mick987

1,778 posts

134 months

Sunday 27th June 2021
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JagLover said:
Given the information contained this looks like a deliberate plant to reach the media.
Have to agree the question is who did the planting?

ApexCult

4,922 posts

177 months

Sunday 27th June 2021
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mick987 said:
JagLover said:
Given the information contained this looks like a deliberate plant to reach the media.
Have to agree the question is who did the planting?
Gauge public, press and foreign government opinion before actually doing something?

Or someone on the inside making a career ending stance against the plans?

biggbn

30,420 posts

244 months

Sunday 27th June 2021
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mick987 said:
JagLover said:
Given the information contained this looks like a deliberate plant to reach the media.
Have to agree the question is who did the planting?
It was Mat Hancock.... smile

Byker28i

84,850 posts

241 months

Sunday 27th June 2021
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ThunderSpook said:
This is the thing, because it’s all on a register then surely whoever had this information signed out to them will lose their security clearance and basically ruin their careers. It’s not as easy as just printing it out and leaving it somewhere.
You can't print, without authorisation and then every copy is numbered and identified in a unique way and then signed for,
You can't take copies onto a usb stick, because everything is restricted. The few that are allowed to move copies electronically around, the devices are heavily controlled, encrypted, as are the laptops etc.

markcoznottz

7,155 posts

248 months

Sunday 27th June 2021
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JagLover said:
Given the information contained this looks like a deliberate plant to reach the media.
Remember a laptop being left on a train years back similar thing.

CloudStuff

4,134 posts

128 months

Sunday 27th June 2021
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Byker28i said:
ThunderSpook said:
This is the thing, because it’s all on a register then surely whoever had this information signed out to them will lose their security clearance and basically ruin their careers. It’s not as easy as just printing it out and leaving it somewhere.
You can't print, without authorisation and then every copy is numbered and identified in a unique way and then signed for,
You can't take copies onto a usb stick, because everything is restricted. The few that are allowed to move copies electronically around, the devices are heavily controlled, encrypted, as are the laptops etc.
My thoughts too - should be water marked?

Biggy Stardust

7,068 posts

68 months

Sunday 27th June 2021
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it's just a variation on the deliberate leak:


essayer

10,360 posts

218 months

Sunday 27th June 2021
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It’s deliberate, just like putting BBC and Mail reporters on a warship