Drug-driver left nurse with severe brain damage avoids jail
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This is such a sad and crazy story.. how the hell did they not get sent down?
https://metro.co.uk/2021/06/18/drug-driver-who-lef...
https://metro.co.uk/2021/06/18/drug-driver-who-lef...
Pixelpeep Z4 said:
This is such a sad and crazy story.. how the hell did they not get sent down?
https://metro.co.uk/2021/06/18/drug-driver-who-lef...
My friend was killed by dangerous driving, last car in a traffic jam and they just drove straight into her and broke her neck.https://metro.co.uk/2021/06/18/drug-driver-who-lef...
Fined £500 and banned for 6 months. You'd get that for having a pint.
Tests found her blood contained 186mg of benzoylecgonine, a by-product taking of cocaine two days earlier, the court heard. The legal limit is 50mg.
Two days earlier? Chinny reck-on!
Surely that is a blatant lie?
I have no experience of cocaine, but I know it's a widespread recreational drug. Surely if that amount was still in your system - nearly four times the legal limit - then loads of recreational weekend drug users would be getting nicked left, right and centre every day of the week?
I think she's told a whopper here and was more likely coked off here head, hence the speeding. Should be behind bars.
Two days earlier? Chinny reck-on!
Surely that is a blatant lie?
I have no experience of cocaine, but I know it's a widespread recreational drug. Surely if that amount was still in your system - nearly four times the legal limit - then loads of recreational weekend drug users would be getting nicked left, right and centre every day of the week?
I think she's told a whopper here and was more likely coked off here head, hence the speeding. Should be behind bars.
Doesn’t seem like a lie, motoring solicitor website says:
Benzoylecgonine is detectable in your blood within 30 minutes of cocaine consumption. This amount will then rise gradually over the next 2 – 3 hours. So, if you were to ‘sniff’ a 35mg line of cocaine at 10:00pm, Benzoylecgonine would be detectable by 10:30pm. By 01:30am, this will have rose to 130 micrograms (the legal limit is 50 micrograms).
Cocaine is eliminated from your blood within 4 – 6 hours, whereas benzoylecgonine can be present for up to 6 days after administration.
Benzoylecgonine is detectable in your blood within 30 minutes of cocaine consumption. This amount will then rise gradually over the next 2 – 3 hours. So, if you were to ‘sniff’ a 35mg line of cocaine at 10:00pm, Benzoylecgonine would be detectable by 10:30pm. By 01:30am, this will have rose to 130 micrograms (the legal limit is 50 micrograms).
Cocaine is eliminated from your blood within 4 – 6 hours, whereas benzoylecgonine can be present for up to 6 days after administration.
Sheepshanks said:
I know it doesn't change anything, but this was a month ago?
In another recent car related case a mechanic who detained a guy damaging cars, who asphyxiated while waiting for the police, has been jailed for 3yrs. The garage owner commited suidide before the trial.
Well yeah, killing people for minor property damage is against the law.In another recent car related case a mechanic who detained a guy damaging cars, who asphyxiated while waiting for the police, has been jailed for 3yrs. The garage owner commited suidide before the trial.
I've always been of the opinion prison should be used for one of 2 things:
a) to protect the public
b) for punishment*
(* not revenge)
Obviously if something like this happened to someone close to me I'd be advocating all sorts of harsh punishments, but that's why the legal system if designed to be fair and impartial (even if it doesn't always look that way).
In this case, would sending her to prison be protecting the public? I doubt it, she is probably genuinely remorseful, with a driving ban and rehabilitation she will hopefully not repeat the same mistakes.
Sending her to prison as punishment - what does that achieve? She's obviously a "damaged" person, handing down a custodial sentence is probably going to compound that damage and make it harder for her to fit into society? If you do want to hand out a punishment then maybe a long term or even lifelong driving ban would be more appropriate?
(just my ramblings, appreciate this is PH and I'll be picked apart and flamed
)
a) to protect the public
b) for punishment*
(* not revenge)
Obviously if something like this happened to someone close to me I'd be advocating all sorts of harsh punishments, but that's why the legal system if designed to be fair and impartial (even if it doesn't always look that way).
In this case, would sending her to prison be protecting the public? I doubt it, she is probably genuinely remorseful, with a driving ban and rehabilitation she will hopefully not repeat the same mistakes.
Sending her to prison as punishment - what does that achieve? She's obviously a "damaged" person, handing down a custodial sentence is probably going to compound that damage and make it harder for her to fit into society? If you do want to hand out a punishment then maybe a long term or even lifelong driving ban would be more appropriate?
(just my ramblings, appreciate this is PH and I'll be picked apart and flamed
)charltjr said:
Doesn’t seem like a lie, motoring solicitor website says:
Benzoylecgonine is detectable in your blood within 30 minutes of cocaine consumption. This amount will then rise gradually over the next 2 – 3 hours. So, if you were to ‘sniff’ a 35mg line of cocaine at 10:00pm, Benzoylecgonine would be detectable by 10:30pm. By 01:30am, this will have rose to 130 micrograms (the legal limit is 50 micrograms).
Cocaine is eliminated from your blood within 4 – 6 hours, whereas benzoylecgonine can be present for up to 6 days after administration.
Benzoylecgonine is detectable in your blood within 30 minutes of cocaine consumption. This amount will then rise gradually over the next 2 – 3 hours. So, if you were to ‘sniff’ a 35mg line of cocaine at 10:00pm, Benzoylecgonine would be detectable by 10:30pm. By 01:30am, this will have rose to 130 micrograms (the legal limit is 50 micrograms).
Cocaine is eliminated from your blood within 4 – 6 hours, whereas benzoylecgonine can be present for up to 6 days after administration.
sciencedirect said:
Parent cocaine (pharmacologically active) and its major metabolite, benzoylecgonine (BZE) (pharmacologically inactive), are both of interest in oral fluid drug testing.
On that basis, it doesn't seem like she was drug driving at the time of the incident.amusingduck said:
On that basis, it doesn't seem like she was drug driving at the time of the incident.
The judge even says the drugs were not part of the cause."The judge said that while Cassidy should not have been driving at all that day, the drugs did not have ‘any direct impact’ on her driving and her speed was the issue."
Double the speed limit, on her phone, failed to give way, hit someone and caused life changing injuries.
"Took some cocaine a couple of days previously" is pretty much irrelevant.
Compare;
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=44...
"Took some cocaine a couple of days previously" is pretty much irrelevant.
Compare;
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=44...
Pixelpeep Z4 said:
Vickers_VC10 said:
Swervin_Mervin said:
Because woman.
This.If so, we should have argued for keeping the pay gap.. surely this means we're equal ?
Today's headline story continues the theme, only this time this one has a history of drink and drug driving and driving whilst disqualified. https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/great...
Swervin_Mervin said:
Pixelpeep Z4 said:
Vickers_VC10 said:
Swervin_Mervin said:
Because woman.
This.If so, we should have argued for keeping the pay gap.. surely this means we're equal ?
Today's headline story continues the theme, only this time this one has a history of drink and drug driving and driving whilst disqualified. https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/great...
Zetec-S said:
I've always been of the opinion prison should be used for one of 2 things:
a) to protect the public
b) for punishment*
(* not revenge)
Obviously if something like this happened to someone close to me I'd be advocating all sorts of harsh punishments, but that's why the legal system if designed to be fair and impartial (even if it doesn't always look that way).
In this case, would sending her to prison be protecting the public? I doubt it, she is probably genuinely remorseful, with a driving ban and rehabilitation she will hopefully not repeat the same mistakes.
Sending her to prison as punishment - what does that achieve? She's obviously a "damaged" person, handing down a custodial sentence is probably going to compound that damage and make it harder for her to fit into society? If you do want to hand out a punishment then maybe a long term or even lifelong driving ban would be more appropriate?
(just my ramblings, appreciate this is PH and I'll be picked apart and flamed)
A signal to the great unwashed that such behaviour is not acceptable? Informing those close to her and so affected - who relinquish their innate moral right to seek revenge as a condition of our collective - that their voices are heard and that she is punished appropriately?a) to protect the public
b) for punishment*
(* not revenge)
Obviously if something like this happened to someone close to me I'd be advocating all sorts of harsh punishments, but that's why the legal system if designed to be fair and impartial (even if it doesn't always look that way).
In this case, would sending her to prison be protecting the public? I doubt it, she is probably genuinely remorseful, with a driving ban and rehabilitation she will hopefully not repeat the same mistakes.
Sending her to prison as punishment - what does that achieve? She's obviously a "damaged" person, handing down a custodial sentence is probably going to compound that damage and make it harder for her to fit into society? If you do want to hand out a punishment then maybe a long term or even lifelong driving ban would be more appropriate?
(just my ramblings, appreciate this is PH and I'll be picked apart and flamed
)Of course there may be details that make a custodial sentence inappropriate I'm not jail-for-everyone but sentencing here does often seem difficult to reconcile.
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