All ICE cars off the road by 2040?
Discussion
This seems to have slipped under the news radar.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/governmen...
Yesterday Government published its decarbonising transport plan. Right at the beginning Grant Shapps says:
I can also commit to consulting on setting phase out dates for all non-zero emission road vehicles, with 2040 as a backstop, setting a path to a time when every vehicle on the roads will be zero emission.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/governmen...
Yesterday Government published its decarbonising transport plan. Right at the beginning Grant Shapps says:
I can also commit to consulting on setting phase out dates for all non-zero emission road vehicles, with 2040 as a backstop, setting a path to a time when every vehicle on the roads will be zero emission.
I best pull my finger out theres loads of cars I want to drive,own and tinker with :/crankedup5 said:
The vintage and classic car business market in the U.K. is worth many billions of pounds employing thousands of people. It will be a foolish Government that announces a hard set cut off date for removal of all ICE engine cars.
Very foolish (and populist) indeed.......crankedup5 said:
The vintage and classic car business market in the U.K. is worth many billions of pounds employing thousands of people. It will be a foolish Government that announces a hard set cut off date for removal of all ICE engine cars.
Suddenly all of those 15 million quid 250 GTOS and McLaren F1s will be practically useless museum pieces. That won’t go down well. The whole thing is ridiculous anyway. Current Lithion batteries are environmentally disgusting things to produce, and scrap. I’d hope that the people who count, let synthetic fuels for ICE engines through the net. Edited by Maximus_Meridius101 on Thursday 15th July 15:41
Unknown_User said:
crankedup5 said:
The vintage and classic car business market in the U.K. is worth many billions of pounds employing thousands of people. It will be a foolish Government that announces a hard set cut off date for removal of all ICE engine cars.
Very foolish (and populist) indeed.......crankedup5 said:
The vintage and classic car business market in the U.K. is worth many billions of pounds employing thousands of people. It will be a foolish Government that announces a hard set cut off date for removal of all ICE engine cars.
My guess is that there will become a specialist permit scheme or specialist registration for classic, rare, or historic vehicles, and the industry will mostly continue.Other EU countries such as Austria already have a registration scheme for 'oldtimer' vehicles (as they call them) where they can only be used for a certain number of days per year.
The biggest issue I see, is that petrol stations will become rarer as demand begins to fall fairly quickly following 2030.
Roughly 7.5% of all UK vehicles are 'replaced' every year (2.5 million new cars sold, and roughly the equivalent number are scrapped/exported/SORN etc)
I'm not saying all ICE cars will be replaced or wiped out in 10 years or whatever, but I think the fall in numbers of ICE cars on the roads following 2030 will be quite surprising.
Lord Marylebone said:
crankedup5 said:
The vintage and classic car business market in the U.K. is worth many billions of pounds employing thousands of people. It will be a foolish Government that announces a hard set cut off date for removal of all ICE engine cars.
My guess is that there will become a specialist permit scheme or specialist registration for classic, rare, or historic vehicles, and the industry will mostly continue.Other EU countries such as Austria already have a registration scheme for 'oldtimer' vehicles (as they call them) where they can only be used for a certain number of days per year.
The biggest issue I see, is that petrol stations will become rarer as demand begins to fall fairly quickly following 2030.
Roughly 7.5% of all UK vehicles are 'replaced' every year (2.5 million new cars sold, and roughly the equivalent number are scrapped/exported/SORN etc)
I'm not saying all ICE cars will be replaced or wiped out in 10 years or whatever, but I think the fall in numbers of ICE cars on the roads following 2030 will be quite surprising.
As others have mentioned the values of historic cars will decrease as time goes by, holding such assets at the moment is for pure enjoyment rather than financial gain, arguably.
This isn't new News. We've known for some time now.
ICE is in it's final stages. End of.
We can accept it and plan accordingly or act with umbrage and annoyance and be dragged into a zero-emissions future; the near future.
It's happening. All major car manufacturers will cease to make ICE models. Everyone can see how this has been gearing up and accelerating.
EV is great and most welcome, cleans up residential and urban areas generally of pollution via foul emissions and unnecessary noise.
I like the sound of a good V8 but happy to sacrifice that for less noise generally. No more smoke from dirty diesels. End of those ridiculous-sounding Harley Davidson's. Lovely.
Having driven EV's, I'm happy for one to be my next car. Current hybrid will be changed next year for one.
ICE is in it's final stages. End of.
We can accept it and plan accordingly or act with umbrage and annoyance and be dragged into a zero-emissions future; the near future.
It's happening. All major car manufacturers will cease to make ICE models. Everyone can see how this has been gearing up and accelerating.
EV is great and most welcome, cleans up residential and urban areas generally of pollution via foul emissions and unnecessary noise.
I like the sound of a good V8 but happy to sacrifice that for less noise generally. No more smoke from dirty diesels. End of those ridiculous-sounding Harley Davidson's. Lovely.
Having driven EV's, I'm happy for one to be my next car. Current hybrid will be changed next year for one.
TheAlgarveCyclist said:
This isn't new News. We've known for some time now.
ICE is in it's final stages. End of.
We can accept it and plan accordingly or act with umbrage and annoyance and be dragged into a zero-emissions future; the near future.
It's happening. All major car manufacturers will cease to make ICE models. Everyone can see how this has been gearing up and accelerating.
EV is great and most welcome, cleans up residential and urban areas generally of pollution via foul emissions and unnecessary noise.
I like the sound of a good V8 but happy to sacrifice that for less noise generally. No more smoke from dirty diesels. End of those ridiculous-sounding Harley Davidson's. Lovely.
Having driven EV's, I'm happy for one to be my next car. Current hybrid will be changed next year for one.
I would suspect you're on the wrong forum.ICE is in it's final stages. End of.
We can accept it and plan accordingly or act with umbrage and annoyance and be dragged into a zero-emissions future; the near future.
It's happening. All major car manufacturers will cease to make ICE models. Everyone can see how this has been gearing up and accelerating.
EV is great and most welcome, cleans up residential and urban areas generally of pollution via foul emissions and unnecessary noise.
I like the sound of a good V8 but happy to sacrifice that for less noise generally. No more smoke from dirty diesels. End of those ridiculous-sounding Harley Davidson's. Lovely.
Having driven EV's, I'm happy for one to be my next car. Current hybrid will be changed next year for one.
The idea of "zero emissions" is also daft as the energy has to be generated somewhere. The equipment (solar Panels, wind turbines, their transport and installation etc) all needs to be accounted for.
Oh well.
CarCrazyDad said:
I would suspect you're on the wrong forum.
The idea of "zero emissions" is also daft as the energy has to be generated somewhere. The equipment (solar Panels, wind turbines, their transport and installation etc) all needs to be accounted for.
Oh well.
Surely it's better to have fewer, larger sources of emissions in fixed locations rather than many millions of small emission sources moving around the whole road network? If the emissions are centralised it's also easier to apply novel technologies like carbon capture and storage to reduce emissions per unit of energy generated?The idea of "zero emissions" is also daft as the energy has to be generated somewhere. The equipment (solar Panels, wind turbines, their transport and installation etc) all needs to be accounted for.
Oh well.
It still doesn't answer the issue of those of us that can only afford to buy something at 7 years old and expect it to last for at least another 5 years.
As the pandemic has shown those of at the bottom of society ( shop workers, delivery drivers, hospital workers,dustmen etc) are doing some of the most important work, and we need our own cheap reliable transport to get us there.
As the pandemic has shown those of at the bottom of society ( shop workers, delivery drivers, hospital workers,dustmen etc) are doing some of the most important work, and we need our own cheap reliable transport to get us there.
FourWheelDrift said:
Won't happen.
It won't.Not least because EVs are not zero emission, so there won't be a time when all vehicles on the road are zero emission.
The suspicion has to be that Shapps is referring to tailpipes, but if so he should make it clear.
That wouldn't sound anywhere near as impressive, so the spin continues; meanwhile in China there's environmenral destruction on a massive scale for the sake of EVs and turbines, but look over there at the cute squirrel.
phumy said:
Hydrogen powered engines will still be ICE, no emissions and no requirement for charging from them dirty, dirty power stations over night.
Hydrogen combustion vehicles produce Nitrogen oxides, lots of them, they aren't nice, furthermore Hydrogen isn't a resource it has to be created from, for example, water, by hydrolysis, using energy from "them dirty, dirty power stations". Fuel cell powered vehicles will at least fix the first, the second remains. Also fuel cells need expensive and tricky to source catalyst materials. Is not going to be a lot of fun, get used to walking more.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff