Why are the Conservatives removing artwork?
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I thought cancel culture was a left wing woke thing but now the tories have decided they don't want to miss out and have decided to start with a ban of certain types of artwork.
https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2021/jul/...
What on earth is wrong with these people and their cancel culture? Are they really so insecure that they can't and won't tolerate anything that questions their ideology?
https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2021/jul/...
What on earth is wrong with these people and their cancel culture? Are they really so insecure that they can't and won't tolerate anything that questions their ideology?
Unknown_User said:
I thought cancel culture was a left wing woke thing but now the tories have decided they don't want to miss out and have decided to start with a ban of certain types of artwork.
https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2021/jul/...
What on earth is wrong with these people and their cancel culture? Are they really so insecure that they can't and won't tolerate anything that questions their ideology?
This isn’t cancel culture, this is censorship.https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2021/jul/...
What on earth is wrong with these people and their cancel culture? Are they really so insecure that they can't and won't tolerate anything that questions their ideology?
Right wing snowflakes take note, THIS is censorship. Censorship is not when people tell you they don’t like your message or companies refuse to carry your ramblings. Censorship is when the state tells you that you are not allowed to say something. Like this.
Unknown_User said:
Leon R said:
I'm confused.
Is this council land? If so do you not need permission before you do something like this?
I believe its council land but the park isn't managed by the tory council. Permission required? Yes but not from the tory councillor or the council.Is this council land? If so do you not need permission before you do something like this?
Leon R said:
Unknown_User said:
Leon R said:
I'm confused.
Is this council land? If so do you not need permission before you do something like this?
I believe its council land but the park isn't managed by the tory council. Permission required? Yes but not from the tory councillor or the council.Is this council land? If so do you not need permission before you do something like this?
http://www.metalculture.com/public-statement-an-en...
Is this art?
As for whoever was frothing about "state censorship", it's hardly akin to Bozzer sending round some goons to arrest the Guardian editorial team - this is some obscure irritable Tory Brexiteer councillor getting a monk on about a bit of Aussie wokery on a park bench in Southend.
As for whoever was frothing about "state censorship", it's hardly akin to Bozzer sending round some goons to arrest the Guardian editorial team - this is some obscure irritable Tory Brexiteer councillor getting a monk on about a bit of Aussie wokery on a park bench in Southend.
biggbn said:
Brilliant. A piece of artwork that would have received little notice on a subject far from the perception of Joe Public has just got more publicity than it ever would have. Well done Councillors, brilliant.
This.It's like the ban on the Spycatcher book, 3 people would've read that but the ban made it a bestseller.
Look forward to hearing more from this artist now that she's got a load of publicity.
Perhaps she can plant some offensive flowerbed aimed at her own Government's refusal to believe climate change. Or the stereotype of South American bears loving marmalade?
I'm sure there are plenty of equally important topics that need to be expressed through flower arranging
5 In a Row said:
This.
It's like the ban on the Spycatcher book, 3 people would've read that but the ban made it a bestseller.
Look forward to hearing more from this artist now that she's got a load of publicity.
Perhaps she can plant some offensive flowerbed aimed at her own Government's refusal to believe climate change. Or the stereotype of South American bears loving marmalade?
I'm sure there are plenty of equally important topics that need to be expressed through flower arranging
She's welcome to pop down and sort out my flower beds and leave a little plaque highlighting the imperialist British government's role in supporting the brutal suppression of Australian batsmen by English bowlers in the 1932-1933 Ashes tour. Much cheaper than hiring a contract gardener.It's like the ban on the Spycatcher book, 3 people would've read that but the ban made it a bestseller.
Look forward to hearing more from this artist now that she's got a load of publicity.
Perhaps she can plant some offensive flowerbed aimed at her own Government's refusal to believe climate change. Or the stereotype of South American bears loving marmalade?
I'm sure there are plenty of equally important topics that need to be expressed through flower arranging
I'm 50/50 on it: 50% rather weak dissident whining that should be removed 50% leave it there as an expression of free speech.
In terms of the art itself:
1) Colonial past: the testing was 'fair game' in the 1950s - back then it seemed to be a case of take the initiative and run with it if you could. It baffles me how some people cannot comprehend how much the world has changed - especially our social conscience. The important thing is: we moved on and we aren't doing it now, so given that, I see it as rather churlish to view the past through the moral lens of the present;
2) Nuclear arms: I'm glad that we have them. China are - reportedly - conducting low-grade nuclear testing to this very day, so why not focus on that? Is there a realistic chance of all countries disarming? No. Not a remote chance.
The more these types whine on about the past, the more I become proud of it when taken in context of the level of societal development at that time.
In terms of the art itself:
1) Colonial past: the testing was 'fair game' in the 1950s - back then it seemed to be a case of take the initiative and run with it if you could. It baffles me how some people cannot comprehend how much the world has changed - especially our social conscience. The important thing is: we moved on and we aren't doing it now, so given that, I see it as rather churlish to view the past through the moral lens of the present;
2) Nuclear arms: I'm glad that we have them. China are - reportedly - conducting low-grade nuclear testing to this very day, so why not focus on that? Is there a realistic chance of all countries disarming? No. Not a remote chance.
The more these types whine on about the past, the more I become proud of it when taken in context of the level of societal development at that time.
eharding said:
Is this art?
As for whoever was frothing about "state censorship", it's hardly akin to Bozzer sending round some goons to arrest the Guardian editorial team - this is some obscure irritable Tory Brexiteer councillor getting a monk on about a bit of Aussie wokery on a park bench in Southend.
“Frothing about state censorship”? It might be minor but that doesn’t change the fact that this is actual censorship. It doesn’t matter who did it or what it was about. The fact is that a politician has tried to use their position to silence someone they disagree with. That is censorship. A private company deciding they don’t want a particular person working for them or using their service is not. As for whoever was frothing about "state censorship", it's hardly akin to Bozzer sending round some goons to arrest the Guardian editorial team - this is some obscure irritable Tory Brexiteer councillor getting a monk on about a bit of Aussie wokery on a park bench in Southend.
eharding said:
Is this art?
I had it explained to me at the start of my art degree course that art was to challenge views, to promote discussion, as it has here but I'm afraid it leaves me a little disappointed. Much like many students art, it starts with a good idea but the execution is poor, almost an after thought. I've seen some of her previous work exhibited at Venice and it was forgettable plant pots, much along the same ideahttps://www.rca.ac.uk/more/staff/gabriella-hirst/
“Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.”
George Orwell, 1984
I think we are doing quite well in the getting rid of statues and renaming streets and buildings so far, sounds like paintings are next.
George Orwell, 1984
I think we are doing quite well in the getting rid of statues and renaming streets and buildings so far, sounds like paintings are next.
Electro1980 said:
Censorship is when the state tells you that you are not allowed to say something. Like this.
Electro1980 said:
“Frothing about state censorship”? It might be minor but that doesn’t change the fact that this is actual censorship. It doesn’t matter who did it or what it was about. The fact is that a politician has tried to use their position to silence someone they disagree with. That is censorship. A private company deciding they don’t want a particular person working for them or using their service is not.
Yes, you're frothing. It isn't state censorship, it's jobsworth local councillor censorship. Untwist your knickers, FFS.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff