J.O'B v Institute of Economic Affairs.
Discussion
Well, well, well, the IEA has lost its long running court battle with James O'Brien & L.B.C.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/aug/09/lbcs...
The IEA were even invited onto the radio show by JOB to defend their position but couldn't be bothered. Does anybody know who actually funds the IEA? Well done to LBC & JOB for defending their position and not being bullied by IEA and its shadowy backers.
The question is now should all news outlets and providers ban any content the IEA provides? And should organisations like IEA that masquerade as a charity but are in fact a political lobby group be forced to reveal their backers and lose their charity status?
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/aug/09/lbcs...
The IEA were even invited onto the radio show by JOB to defend their position but couldn't be bothered. Does anybody know who actually funds the IEA? Well done to LBC & JOB for defending their position and not being bullied by IEA and its shadowy backers.
The question is now should all news outlets and providers ban any content the IEA provides? And should organisations like IEA that masquerade as a charity but are in fact a political lobby group be forced to reveal their backers and lose their charity status?
t and this will only encourage him.Unknown_User said:
The question is now should all news outlets and providers ban any content the IEA provides? And should organisations like IEA that masquerade as a charity but are in fact a political lobby group be forced to reveal their backers and lose their charity status?
An interesting approach. Isn’t most charity campaigning political? Would you be happy having the same rules applied to the NSPCC, Amnesty or Oxfam, all of which stray into matters political (on any interpretation) but which are clearly largely charitable in purpose?
What about charities campaigning to extend refugee rights or those aiming to stamp out activities that are legal in some places such as FGM?
What about the green lobby?
psi310398 said:
An interesting approach. Isn’t most charity campaigning political?
Would you be happy having the same rules applied to the NSPCC, Amnesty or Oxfam, all of which stray into matters political (on any interpretation) but which are clearly largely charitable in purpose?
What about charities campaigning to extend refugee rights or those aiming to stamp out activities that are legal in some places such as FGM?
What about the green lobby?
I believe the charities you mention are opaque regarding funding. Have you ever seen an IEA chugger?Would you be happy having the same rules applied to the NSPCC, Amnesty or Oxfam, all of which stray into matters political (on any interpretation) but which are clearly largely charitable in purpose?
What about charities campaigning to extend refugee rights or those aiming to stamp out activities that are legal in some places such as FGM?
What about the green lobby?
psi310398 said:
An interesting approach. Isn’t most charity campaigning political?
Would you be happy having the same rules applied to the NSPCC, Amnesty or Oxfam, all of which stray into matters political (on any interpretation) but which are clearly largely charitable in purpose?
What about charities campaigning to extend refugee rights or those aiming to stamp out activities that are legal in some places such as FGM?
What about the green lobby?
Their funding is pretty clear and available on their websites plus they are not overtly political but sometimes stray into that arena. (Recent RNLI stink for example).Would you be happy having the same rules applied to the NSPCC, Amnesty or Oxfam, all of which stray into matters political (on any interpretation) but which are clearly largely charitable in purpose?
What about charities campaigning to extend refugee rights or those aiming to stamp out activities that are legal in some places such as FGM?
What about the green lobby?
I can’t see anything about how the IEA is funded or who funds them and they are seemingly politically active as a default.
Just another shadowy organisation masquerading as a charity pushing a particular agenda for unknown individuals and other interested parties.
valiant said:
Their funding is pretty clear and available on their websites plus they are not overtly political but sometimes stray into that arena. (Recent RNLI stink for example).
I can’t see anything about how the IEA is funded or who funds them and they are seemingly politically active as a default.
Just another shadowy organisation masquerading as a charity pushing a particular agenda for unknown individuals and other interested parties.
If it is a UK charity, it is regulated by the Charity Commission, as is every other charity, which requires a whole raft of regulatory returns and fit and proper person tests. I can’t see anything about how the IEA is funded or who funds them and they are seemingly politically active as a default.
Just another shadowy organisation masquerading as a charity pushing a particular agenda for unknown individuals and other interested parties.
psi310398 said:
valiant said:
Their funding is pretty clear and available on their websites plus they are not overtly political but sometimes stray into that arena. (Recent RNLI stink for example).
I can’t see anything about how the IEA is funded or who funds them and they are seemingly politically active as a default.
Just another shadowy organisation masquerading as a charity pushing a particular agenda for unknown individuals and other interested parties.
If it is a UK charity, it is regulated by the Charity Commission, as is every other charity, which requires a whole raft of regulatory returns and fit and proper person tests. I can’t see anything about how the IEA is funded or who funds them and they are seemingly politically active as a default.
Just another shadowy organisation masquerading as a charity pushing a particular agenda for unknown individuals and other interested parties.
valiant said:
So where does their funding come from?
Search me. But I’m not particularly bothered by their sources of funding any more than I am by Bill Gates or Soros funding things. And there are plenty of anonymous private donors around most charities. And if the IEA or any other charity steps out of line, the regulator has full powers to deal with them. Isn’t the real issue here that JOB and co don’t like the politics in question rather than the fact that the IEA strays into political territory per se? If he were being consistent wouldn’t his fastidiousness extend to, say, the Joseph Rowntree Foundation which explicitly has objects that are at least as ‘political’ (not that it needs to fundraise at all)?
For the avoidance of doubt, my instinct is that the IEA has more than its fair share of swivel-eyed loons, but does produce some interesting and thought provoking stuff from time to time.
Edited by psi310398 on Tuesday 10th August 13:58
psi310398 said:
Isn’t the real issue here that JOB and co don’t like the politics in question rather than the fact that the IEA strays into political territory per se? If he were being consistent wouldn’t his fastidiousness extend to, say, the Joseph Rowntree Foundation which explicitly has objects that are at least as ‘political’ (not that it needs to fundraise at all)?
An economics institute is naturally going to be commentating on politics as you cannot separate macro-economics and politics. The Thatcher economic revolution had its birth in economic think tanks. valiant said:
psi310398 said:
valiant said:
Their funding is pretty clear and available on their websites plus they are not overtly political but sometimes stray into that arena. (Recent RNLI stink for example).
I can’t see anything about how the IEA is funded or who funds them and they are seemingly politically active as a default.
Just another shadowy organisation masquerading as a charity pushing a particular agenda for unknown individuals and other interested parties.
If it is a UK charity, it is regulated by the Charity Commission, as is every other charity, which requires a whole raft of regulatory returns and fit and proper person tests. I can’t see anything about how the IEA is funded or who funds them and they are seemingly politically active as a default.
Just another shadowy organisation masquerading as a charity pushing a particular agenda for unknown individuals and other interested parties.
Dr Jekyll said:
Some of it comes from me for a start, in short from anyone who wants to fund it. We are only talking about around £3 million a year in total so hardly an all powerful conspiracy.
Dr Jekyll eh? Sounds like a thinly disguised front for US healthcare conglomerates who want to take over the NHS!egomeister said:
Dr Jekyll said:
Some of it comes from me for a start, in short from anyone who wants to fund it. We are only talking about around £3 million a year in total so hardly an all powerful conspiracy.
Dr Jekyll eh? Sounds like a thinly disguised front for US healthcare conglomerates who want to take over the NHS!JagLover said:
An economics institute is naturally going to be commentating on politics as you cannot separate macro-economics and politics. The Thatcher economic revolution had its birth in economic think tanks.
Commenting? I'm sure I read somewhere that there were a claim of a "cash for access" scandal!
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/30/l...
ETA - Look...!!!! Even little Matty Hancock appears to be involved.... - https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/matt-hancock-to...
Edited by Unknown_User on Tuesday 10th August 14:19
Dr Jekyll said:
egomeister said:
Dr Jekyll said:
Some of it comes from me for a start, in short from anyone who wants to fund it. We are only talking about around £3 million a year in total so hardly an all powerful conspiracy.
Dr Jekyll eh? Sounds like a thinly disguised front for US healthcare conglomerates who want to take over the NHS!psi310398 said:
valiant said:
So where does their funding come from?
Search me. But I’m not particularly bothered by their sources of funding any more than I am by Bill Gates or Soros funding things. And there are plenty of anonymous private donors around most charities. And if the IEA or any other charity steps out of line, the regulator has full powers to deal with them. Isn’t the real issue here that JOB and co don’t like the politics in question rather than the fact that the IEA strays into political territory per se? If he were being consistent wouldn’t his fastidiousness extend to, say, the Joseph Rowntree Foundation which explicitly has objects that are at least as ‘political’ (not that it needs to fundraise at all)?
For the avoidance of doubt, my instinct is that the IEA has more than its fair share of swivel-eyed loons, but does produce some interesting and thought provoking stuff from time to time.
Edited by psi310398 on Tuesday 10th August 13:58
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