Marxist Cultural Agenda
Discussion
If one is a Marxist then they would surely have a Marxist cultural agenda.
Question is whether people have a Marxist cultural agenda without self identifying as Marxists. Or whether people understand Marxism as a ideology of social and cultural revolution or just an economic theory.
I wouldn't say it's bulls
t though. Marxism has been one of the most popular political ideologies of the last 150 years, there's bound to be a few of them knocking about and some will be fringe Trotsky types believing that continual revolution for the sake of it is a good way of keeping progress alive.
Question is whether people have a Marxist cultural agenda without self identifying as Marxists. Or whether people understand Marxism as a ideology of social and cultural revolution or just an economic theory.
I wouldn't say it's bulls
t though. Marxism has been one of the most popular political ideologies of the last 150 years, there's bound to be a few of them knocking about and some will be fringe Trotsky types believing that continual revolution for the sake of it is a good way of keeping progress alive. As a system for organising our economies and societies Marxism failed, completely and utterly, with the final proof of its failure the collapse of Communism in Europe.
The smarter adherents of the ideology then realised it will never likely gain majority support in a democracy due to its history of failure. So they try and engineer a move to a more Marxist new order by pretending it is no longer about Marxism anymore.
The smarter adherents of the ideology then realised it will never likely gain majority support in a democracy due to its history of failure. So they try and engineer a move to a more Marxist new order by pretending it is no longer about Marxism anymore.
I like discussing this topic and yes there is a strong element of Marxist teachings making their way in to far-left politics that has a progressive agenda.
The left wing economic argument that used to be played out during the decades following WWII, that aimed to pit employees against their employers based up on a working class struggle, was an agenda to turn democracies towards socialism, in that the state would be justified in owning the nation's ability to produce and provide services, and take power out of the hands of private enterprises. This would have resulted in unions becoming extremely powerful entities along with government, and it would have been unions that would have had largest influence over policies.
However, this class struggle fell apart when examples of socialism elsewhere in the world demonstrated that it doesn't deliver prosperity. The socialist economy quickly becomes stagnant and people do not become richer. The typical pyramid structure is very much flattened and if you start off poor you have little chance to ever improve.
Come 1989 and the Berlin wall came down as a result of the USSR failing its member states and unable to provide a prosperous outcome for everyone living under that regime. And with the fall of the Berlin wall also fell away any left wing argument that socialism was a good direction for western democracies.
So without an economic argument what could the left wings do in the west?
The answer was to create a new division, instead of an argument based up on economic class struggle, the new agenda was to create societal/cultural/ethnic divides based up on fabricated and hyped up inequalities, and with that adopt the agenda of Cultural Marxism.
Cultural marxism became a thing around the 1960's when it was realised that post-war socialism was failing and that free-market capitalism was proving to be a huge success in delivering prosperity.
So when the economic argument was put to bed in 1989, socialists collaborated to enact cultural marxism. The first sight of its effects on the majority was in the early 2000's when "Political Correctness" came in to play. This came about in the UK and the USA when both had left leaning governments (ie. Blair and Clinton). "Political correctness" is a political tool called "ideological subversion", in that slowly and gradually a populous would be converted from one mindset to another using carefully constructed political arguments in favour of its need. These arguments, if you remember to the time, were along the lines that "political correctness is about simply being nice to each other", when in fact it was laying the bedrock for creating only one acceptable political viewpoint on various issues.
This agenda was seen to work when "politcal correctness" became the full blooded tool of "group identity politics" in which we see today and which enacts the full intent of the cultural marxist agenda.
The end goal admittedly may not be socialism, but it is the only agenda seemingly that the left wing have in a successful capitalist environment when they are unable to compete with the right wing on economic arguments.
(usual disclaimer to acknowledge that capitalism is far from perfect, but socialism genuinely can't compete)
The left wing economic argument that used to be played out during the decades following WWII, that aimed to pit employees against their employers based up on a working class struggle, was an agenda to turn democracies towards socialism, in that the state would be justified in owning the nation's ability to produce and provide services, and take power out of the hands of private enterprises. This would have resulted in unions becoming extremely powerful entities along with government, and it would have been unions that would have had largest influence over policies.
However, this class struggle fell apart when examples of socialism elsewhere in the world demonstrated that it doesn't deliver prosperity. The socialist economy quickly becomes stagnant and people do not become richer. The typical pyramid structure is very much flattened and if you start off poor you have little chance to ever improve.
Come 1989 and the Berlin wall came down as a result of the USSR failing its member states and unable to provide a prosperous outcome for everyone living under that regime. And with the fall of the Berlin wall also fell away any left wing argument that socialism was a good direction for western democracies.
So without an economic argument what could the left wings do in the west?
The answer was to create a new division, instead of an argument based up on economic class struggle, the new agenda was to create societal/cultural/ethnic divides based up on fabricated and hyped up inequalities, and with that adopt the agenda of Cultural Marxism.
Cultural marxism became a thing around the 1960's when it was realised that post-war socialism was failing and that free-market capitalism was proving to be a huge success in delivering prosperity.
So when the economic argument was put to bed in 1989, socialists collaborated to enact cultural marxism. The first sight of its effects on the majority was in the early 2000's when "Political Correctness" came in to play. This came about in the UK and the USA when both had left leaning governments (ie. Blair and Clinton). "Political correctness" is a political tool called "ideological subversion", in that slowly and gradually a populous would be converted from one mindset to another using carefully constructed political arguments in favour of its need. These arguments, if you remember to the time, were along the lines that "political correctness is about simply being nice to each other", when in fact it was laying the bedrock for creating only one acceptable political viewpoint on various issues.
This agenda was seen to work when "politcal correctness" became the full blooded tool of "group identity politics" in which we see today and which enacts the full intent of the cultural marxist agenda.
The end goal admittedly may not be socialism, but it is the only agenda seemingly that the left wing have in a successful capitalist environment when they are unable to compete with the right wing on economic arguments.
(usual disclaimer to acknowledge that capitalism is far from perfect, but socialism genuinely can't compete)
Seriously? Have a look at the background of Cultural Marxism. It’s a conspiracy theory and nothing more. Society changes. To pretend there is some grand plan is just wrong, and why it is called a conspiracy theory.
The idea of Cultural Marxism is rooted in Nazi propaganda of Cultural Bolshevism and continues to be a far right, anti Semitic conspiracy theory.
The idea of Cultural Marxism is rooted in Nazi propaganda of Cultural Bolshevism and continues to be a far right, anti Semitic conspiracy theory.
Electro1980 said:
Seriously? Have a look at the background of Cultural Marxism. It’s a conspiracy theory and nothing more. Society changes. To pretend there is some grand plan is just wrong, and why it is called a conspiracy theory.
The idea of Cultural Marxism is rooted in Nazi propaganda of Cultural Bolshevism and continues to be a far right, anti Semitic conspiracy theory.
The idea of Cultural Marxism is rooted in Nazi propaganda of Cultural Bolshevism and continues to be a far right, anti Semitic conspiracy theory.
Feel free to think that if it suits you.
Electro1980 said:
Seriously? Have a look at the background of Cultural Marxism. It’s a conspiracy theory and nothing more. Society changes. To pretend there is some grand plan is just wrong, and why it is called a conspiracy theory.
The idea of Cultural Marxism is rooted in Nazi propaganda of Cultural Bolshevism and continues to be a far right, anti Semitic conspiracy theory.
Stamp the conspiracy theory label and something goes away, right? Boring. The idea of Cultural Marxism is rooted in Nazi propaganda of Cultural Bolshevism and continues to be a far right, anti Semitic conspiracy theory.
It’s an interesting notion and it doesn’t have to be in the form of shadowy actors collaborating behind closed doors on undermining the fabric of the world. People believe all sorts of things, some people believe the current state of play is wrong & will take steps to try to right the ship (in their eyes), and they can perfectly plausibly all do so independently, even working via common means - by way of observing others.
I would say anyone who hasn’t noticed that the social direction of travel is being artificially influenced, isn’t paying attention.
The question really is, is it harmful, and if so can it be prevented.
Venturist said:
Electro1980 said:
Seriously? Have a look at the background of Cultural Marxism. It’s a conspiracy theory and nothing more. Society changes. To pretend there is some grand plan is just wrong, and why it is called a conspiracy theory.
The idea of Cultural Marxism is rooted in Nazi propaganda of Cultural Bolshevism and continues to be a far right, anti Semitic conspiracy theory.
Stamp the conspiracy theory label and something goes away, right? Boring. The idea of Cultural Marxism is rooted in Nazi propaganda of Cultural Bolshevism and continues to be a far right, anti Semitic conspiracy theory.
It’s an interesting notion and it doesn’t have to be in the form of shadowy actors collaborating behind closed doors on undermining the fabric of the world. People believe all sorts of things, some people believe the current state of play is wrong & will take steps to try to right the ship (in their eyes), and they can perfectly plausibly all do so independently, even working via common means - by way of observing others.
I would say anyone who hasn’t noticed that the social direction of travel is being artificially influenced, isn’t paying attention.
The question really is, is it harmful, and if so can it be prevented.
Yes, people will try and influence the behaviour of others and change social norms they consider wrong. That’s called civilisation. The point it becomes a conspiracy theory is when you start talking about “ artificially influenced” with no evidence of what that is.
Electro1980 said:
Seriously? Have a look at the background of Cultural Marxism. It’s a conspiracy theory and nothing more. Society changes. To pretend there is some grand plan is just wrong, and why it is called a conspiracy theory.
The idea of Cultural Marxism is rooted in Nazi propaganda of Cultural Bolshevism and continues to be a far right, anti Semitic conspiracy theory.
WTF are you taking about? Is North Korea a conspiracy theory? Moa's cultural revolution? Is Cuba a conspiracy theory? The idea of Cultural Marxism is rooted in Nazi propaganda of Cultural Bolshevism and continues to be a far right, anti Semitic conspiracy theory.
Marxism is a thing, Marxists are a thing, Marxist theory is a thing... There's millions of them all over the world.
BobsPigeon said:
Electro1980 said:
Seriously? Have a look at the background of Cultural Marxism. It’s a conspiracy theory and nothing more. Society changes. To pretend there is some grand plan is just wrong, and why it is called a conspiracy theory.
The idea of Cultural Marxism is rooted in Nazi propaganda of Cultural Bolshevism and continues to be a far right, anti Semitic conspiracy theory.
WTF are you taking about? Is North Korea a conspiracy theory? Moa's cultural revolution? Is Cuba a conspiracy theory? The idea of Cultural Marxism is rooted in Nazi propaganda of Cultural Bolshevism and continues to be a far right, anti Semitic conspiracy theory.
Marxism is a thing, Marxists are a thing, Marxist theory is a thing... There's millions of them all over the world.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:redrabbit said:
Christ, keep up bhstewie, it's THEM. THOSE PEOPLE.
I'm not even joking hstewie, it's THEM. THOSE PEOPLE.
Like I said I'm pretty simple so I'm not going down the rabbit hole reading up on it I'll just ask a simple question.
Who's supposed to be doing it to us?
https://peoplesmomentum.com/about/
https://ycl.org.uk/
https://www.nus.org.uk/
BobsPigeon said:
I'm not a student or a Communist or a member of Momentum.The tone of the thread is very much that this is something more sinister and widespread.
Is it the elites or anything to do with those secret meetings they keep having at Davos (and then put on YouTube)?
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