Drowning in English channel

[Ian Geary]

I was going to add this to the migrants crossing the channel thread, but can't seem to see one in the most recent pages, and I looked back to July.

It's not nice news, but this article sets out how a man has died in France after being air lifted from a sinking /sunk dinghy.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-5818931...

If I'm honest, I'm surprised there haven't been more deaths, since the channel is reportedly one of the busiest stretches of sea there is.

Whilst I recall a lot of deaths being reported in the Mediterranean a few years ago, I assume the number of crossings was also proportionately higher.

We don't know the deaths that go unreported, but I would expect bodies washing up on the UK or EU coast to have been newsworthy (even if not favoured on here) so I doubt there are significant numbers of fatalities that have gone unreported.


Also, one advantage of the channel being busy is I suppose that it's also well served by high quality rescue services (plus boarder patrols etc) and shipping who came to the aid of those in distress.


Finally, one positive thing that might come out of this is the French take their laws on maritime safety more seriously, though of course the unnecessary loss of a life is never a good thing.

[Craigyp79]

anonymous said:

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Finally? OICG prosecutions by French authorities are nothing new...

[Muntu]

He should have caught the ferry instead

[crankedup5]

Seventeen people drowned last month whilst taking a swim in U.K. waters. Just some context.

[Craigyp79]

crankedup5 said:

Seventeen people drowned last month whilst taking a swim in U.K. waters. Just some context.

Around 1000 people were killed by crocodiles in the world last year, which gives about as much useful context as the above.

[crankedup5]

Craigyp79 said:

crankedup5 said:

Seventeen people drowned last month whilst taking a swim in U.K. waters. Just some context.

Around 1000 people were killed by crocodiles in the world last year, which gives about as much useful context as the above.

The context, which you fail,to understand, is an obvious one, one person drowns crossing a dangerous shipping lane. The busiest shipping lane in the World, only one person last month. 17 people drown in U.K. inland waters during the same period of time. No wonder the RNLI need to respond when they spot a rubber dingy in the English Channel. They could have saved more
or souls in the inland waters.

[Seventy]

anonymous said:

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Eh?

[Craigyp79]

crankedup5 said:

Craigyp79 said:

crankedup5 said:

Seventeen people drowned last month whilst taking a swim in U.K. waters. Just some context.

Around 1000 people were killed by crocodiles in the world last year, which gives about as much useful context as the above.

The context, which you fail,to understand, is an obvious one, one person drowns crossing a dangerous shipping lane. The busiest shipping lane in the World, only one person last month. 17 people drown in U.K. inland waters during the same period of time. No wonder the RNLI need to respond when they spot a rubber dingy in the English Channel. They could have saved more
or souls in the inland waters.

Nope, still don't know what you are on about?

[crankedup5]

Craigyp79 said:

crankedup5 said:

Craigyp79 said:

crankedup5 said:

Seventeen people drowned last month whilst taking a swim in U.K. waters. Just some context.

Around 1000 people were killed by crocodiles in the world last year, which gives about as much useful context as the above.

The context, which you fail,to understand, is an obvious one, one person drowns crossing a dangerous shipping lane. The busiest shipping lane in the World, only one person last month. 17 people drown in U.K. inland waters during the same period of time. No wonder the RNLI need to respond when they spot a rubber dingy in the English Channel. They could have saved more
or souls in the inland waters.

Nope, still don't know what you are on about?

Mores the pity for you.

[crankedup5]

anonymous said:

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You can be certain that many rubber dinghies have been run over by larger vessels, or just sunk taking many souls to the bottom of the channel. The people smugglers don’t care about that, it’s only a money game to them.

[rxtx]

crankedup5 said:

Mores the pity for you.

No, it's really not. Just knocking out "well this many people died doing this" is stupid and has nothing to do with it.

[InitialDave]

Seventy said:

anonymous said:

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Eh?

He's saying, probably correctly, that this one death is just the death we know about.

There are likely many other deaths we don't know about.

A dangerous crossing in unsuitable boats is likely to go wrong. When you're making the crossing actively trying to avoid being spotted doing it, you're much less likely to be spotted when it does go wrong. And thus not rescued.

I expect that the true number of deaths attempting the channel crossing is far higher than 1.

If it really is 1, that seems borderline miraculous.

[anonymous-user]

Craigyp79 said:

crankedup5 said:

Seventeen people drowned last month whilst taking a swim in U.K. waters. Just some context.

Around 1000 people were killed by crocodiles in the world last year, which gives about as much useful context as the above.

I think he meant it surprising only one person has been reported to have drowned crossing 20+ miles of the busiest shipping lane in the world, in an overcrowded rubber boat, when 7 managed to drown within 10 ft from the shore on a day out.

[rxtx]

Cliffe60 said:

I think he meant it surprising only one person has been reported to have drowned crossing 20+ miles of the busiest shipping lane in the world, in an overcrowded rubber boat, when 7 managed to drown within 10 ft from the shore on a day out.

Crankedup5 doesn't know what he means and is talking yet more rubbish like any so-called "new member" with ten posts a day on controversial subjects. It's not difficult to understand that deaths at sea in a dinghy will go unnoticed and unreported, because nobody knows they're there and they have nobody to report them missing. He even admits that a little later.

The RNLI are mentioned, crankedup5 is trying to say "if it wasn't for these immigrants, of which only one has drowned so we shouldn't bother, those 17 inland water deaths could have been avoided", without sounding like a wker.

Typical "new member" posts his ill thought out illiterate crap again.

[saaby93]

There's got to be a balance somewhere.
If the UK ended up with the world's population because it was a nice place would that be a great idea?
How to make every country of the world a similarly nice place?
Are some of our forebears right when they say - since the war we've been invaded.

[Craigyp79]

saaby93 said:

There's got to be a balance somewhere.
If the UK ended up with the world's population because it was a nice place would that be a great idea?
How to make every country of the world a similarly nice place?
Are some of our forebears right when they say - since the war we've been invaded.

There is a balance, we had a fairly strong border, yes people got in but not in the numbers that mainland Europe have seen. If you think that everyone in the world wants to come to the UK, you've been overdosing on the Daily Mail, that is far from the truth.

We now have a problem with migrants making a dangerous but tempting crossing over the short straights This problem doesn't have any easy solutions to it because like most things in life there is no right or wrong answer, just compromises.

If we are being invaded, looking at the numbers, it's a fairly st invasion.

[Craigyp79]

crankedup5 said:

anonymous said:

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You can be certain that many rubber dinghies have been run over by larger vessels, or just sunk taking many souls to the bottom of the channel. The people smugglers don’t care about that, it’s only a money game to them.

From memory we have has a couple of migrants who have drowned falling off their RhiB's and one incident that resulted in a family drowning just off the coast of France, the child's body having been found off Norway many months later, "souls" don't sink unless they are weighed down.

You would be surprised to find how difficult it is to cross the short straights undetected as there are so many ships out there, not to mention radar and aerial resources. With that and the fact that everything washes up downstream we can safely say that the likelihood of there being any undetected deaths is fairly low.

It's a dangerous crossing and I'm surprised that we haven't had many more incidents, the fact that we haven't is due to the dedication of law enforcement and rescue services on this route as well as the professionalism of the commercial and passenger shipping there.

[Electro1980]

saaby93 said:

If the UK ended up with the world's population because it was a nice place would that be a great idea?

With world population increasing by 80 million a year we are going to have to build a lot more than one runway at Heathrow.

[crankedup5]

Cliffe60 said:

Craigyp79 said:

crankedup5 said:

Seventeen people drowned last month whilst taking a swim in U.K. waters. Just some context.

Around 1000 people were killed by crocodiles in the world last year, which gives about as much useful context as the above.

I think he meant it surprising only one person has been reported to have drowned crossing 20+ miles of the busiest shipping lane in the world, in an overcrowded rubber boat, when 7 managed to drown within 10 ft from the shore on a day out.

Exactly that + the publicity regarding one drowning death in the English Channel received wide media publicity, 17 deaths in inland waters during one month hardly. murmur. Why would that be?

Edited by crankedup5 on Sunday 15th August 10:56

[crankedup5]

rxtx said:

Cliffe60 said:

I think he meant it surprising only one person has been reported to have drowned crossing 20+ miles of the busiest shipping lane in the world, in an overcrowded rubber boat, when 7 managed to drown within 10 ft from the shore on a day out.

Crankedup5 doesn't know what he means and is talking yet more rubbish like any so-called "new member" with ten posts a day on controversial subjects. It's not difficult to understand that deaths at sea in a dinghy will go unnoticed and unreported, because nobody knows they're there and they have nobody to report them missing. He even admits that a little later.

The RNLI are mentioned, crankedup5 is trying to say "if it wasn't for these immigrants, of which only one has drowned so we shouldn't bother, those 17 inland water deaths could have been avoided", without sounding like a wker.

Typical "new member" posts his ill thought out illiterate crap again.

Yet another WOKE keyboard warrior appears in PH, pontificating within a blinkered mindset :yawn: