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Countdown said:
He may be the devil incarnate on PH. However my guess is that he’d probably win against BoJo if he stood for election.
Who would vote for him though ?Conservative voters - no
Anti war voters - no
Hard left - no
Working class ??? Maybe
People young enough not to remember - maybe.
I am not sure
A nice little piece on him and his buddies here -
https://caitlinjohnstone.substack.com/p/bush-era-w...
Edit 'cos typo
https://caitlinjohnstone.substack.com/p/bush-era-w...
Edit 'cos typo
Edited by grumbledoak on Sunday 22 August 18:30
He's got some brassneck slagging Biden over the handling; he's the 
who jumped on Dubya's bandwagon for invading Iraq for no fking reason, squandering resources that would have gone into Afghanistan at a time when it might have made a difference. He's also blithely ignoring that Biden got elected on a pledge of withdrawal from 'forever' wars.
who jumped on Dubya's bandwagon for invading Iraq for no fking reason, squandering resources that would have gone into Afghanistan at a time when it might have made a difference. He's also blithely ignoring that Biden got elected on a pledge of withdrawal from 'forever' wars.Most sensible thing i have read on the issue yet :
“ Peter Galbraith, former UN deputy special representative for Afghanistan, said all the coalition partners bore responsibility for the chaos unfolding.
"In terms of what was imbecilic, frankly it was the strategy that was followed for 20 years, which was to try to build a highly centralised state in a country that was as diverse - geographically and ethnically - as Afghanistan, and to engage in a counterinsurgency strategy without a local partner and the local partner was corrupt, ineffective, illegitimate," he said.
He added that coalition partners "never seriously tried to address the corruption that was prevalent from the top", acquiescing in "fraudulent" Afghan elections, and trying to fit facts into a predetermined strategy, "rather than having a strategy that was based on the facts".
“ Peter Galbraith, former UN deputy special representative for Afghanistan, said all the coalition partners bore responsibility for the chaos unfolding.
"In terms of what was imbecilic, frankly it was the strategy that was followed for 20 years, which was to try to build a highly centralised state in a country that was as diverse - geographically and ethnically - as Afghanistan, and to engage in a counterinsurgency strategy without a local partner and the local partner was corrupt, ineffective, illegitimate," he said.
He added that coalition partners "never seriously tried to address the corruption that was prevalent from the top", acquiescing in "fraudulent" Afghan elections, and trying to fit facts into a predetermined strategy, "rather than having a strategy that was based on the facts".
It is a shame a man with so much blood and suffering on his hands is saying that withdrawl is imbecilic when it was one of his own vanity projects.
It is not the west that should hang its head in shame it is the monsters that lead the west at that time that should feel shame but we all know they never will admit to being wrong.
I just hope the people who hate the west aim their ire at its so called leaders and not innocent members of the public.
Afghanistan is not finished, I sadly suspect this is only just a beginning - for the worse.
It is not the west that should hang its head in shame it is the monsters that lead the west at that time that should feel shame but we all know they never will admit to being wrong.
I just hope the people who hate the west aim their ire at its so called leaders and not innocent members of the public.
Afghanistan is not finished, I sadly suspect this is only just a beginning - for the worse.
Countdown said:
He may be the devil incarnate on PH. However my guess is that he’d probably win against BoJo if he stood for election.
Absolutely doubt that. Whatever many on PH seem to think, vast numbers would still vote for Boris. Only a small number of ancient Labour supporters would want to vote for Bliar. Most people won't forget the Blair era.Short Grain said:
Seems to be a man fighting to remain relevant when he's clearly not. Except to his mates, the people who agreed with his claims 20 years ago.
Still, he and Cherie have made a very lucrative bed to lie in so that's nice!!
Perhaps issuing tonedeaf nonsense soundbites is a marketing technique; now ZOMGPLAGUE! is sort of over he wants to be booked for lots of rubber chicken dinner speaking engagements.Still, he and Cherie have made a very lucrative bed to lie in so that's nice!!
Short Grain said:
Seems to be a man fighting to remain relevant when he's clearly not. Except to his mates, the people who agreed with his claims 20 years ago.
Still, he and Cherie have made a very lucrative bed to lie in so that's nice!!
Quite.Still, he and Cherie have made a very lucrative bed to lie in so that's nice!!
I can't think of any other living politician who is more despised than Blair.
Vasco said:
Short Grain said:
Seems to be a man fighting to remain relevant when he's clearly not. Except to his mates, the people who agreed with his claims 20 years ago.
Still, he and Cherie have made a very lucrative bed to lie in so that's nice!!
Quite.Still, he and Cherie have made a very lucrative bed to lie in so that's nice!!
I can't think of any other living politician who is more despised than Blair.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Vasco said:
I can't think of any other living politician who is more despised than Blair.
The entire current cabinet. And that fking traitor Cameron, who has gone a long way towards destroying the country to try and fix a squabble in the Tory party. Blair seemed to preside over a time where societal divisiveness became more prevalent, to a time where we are now where there is no middle ground on seemingly any issue at all.
Cameron? I liked the guy, but when he spat his dummy on the result of the Brexit referendum he lost any credibility he previously had. Spineless tw@t.
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