Drink driving injuries or deaths at 8 year high

[bitchstewie]

I don't get this

Number killed or seriously injured in drink-drive crashes hits eight-year high

I thought we'd made progress to the point where drink driving was pretty much socially unacceptable.

[Ntv]

bhstewie said:

I don't get this

Number killed or seriously injured in drink-drive crashes hits eight-year high

I thought we'd made progress to the point where drink driving was pretty much socially unacceptable.

No biggie.

[ikarl]

The limit changed in Scotland in the last few years (eta - in 2014), reducing the amount of alcohol allowed, therefore potentially moving more into the 'bracket' where they would be counted

Not sure if the same goes for England/Wales

[Frimley111R]

I've been driving 35 years and have newer been stopped for potential DD and a 'friend' regularly does it because, in his words, 'you never get stopped around here' (London).

It is unacceptable but there needs to be more Police presence in stopping people.

[46and2]

In work we assess potential health and safety issues;

Eliminate the hazard. ...
Substitute the hazard with a lesser risk. ...
Isolate the hazard. ...
Use engineering controls. ...
Use administrative controls. ...
Use personal protective equipment.

We can't eliminate the hazard while people continue to be in charge of cars.
We can't substitute the hazard
Can we isolate the hazard?
We can definitely introduce engineering controls into cars, wont start with out an air sample.
Administration doesn't seem to work well enough.
PPE is available


Looks to me like engineering control is the best solution.

[Mr Happy]

46and2 said:

In work we assess potential health and safety issues;

Eliminate the hazard. ...
Substitute the hazard with a lesser risk. ...
Isolate the hazard. ...
Use engineering controls. ...
Use administrative controls. ...
Use personal protective equipment.

We can't eliminate the hazard while people continue to be in charge of cars.
We can't substitute the hazard
Can we isolate the hazard?
We can definitely introduce engineering controls into cars, wont start with out an air sample.
Administration doesn't seem to work well enough.
PPE is available


Looks to me like engineering control is the best solution.

Engineering controls already exist, but they can be defeated by paying a passing scrote £20 to blow into the pipe so you can start your car. Some of the more pricey alternatives require re-arming at random times, which could be defeated by carrying passengers in the car (such as a functioning alcoholic carrying their children in the car on the way to the shops etc.)

https://acs-corp.com/products

[foxbody-87]

Guilty until proven innocent!

[Mr E]

I’d be interested to know how many cars the police are stopping on an annual basis, and how many breath tests they’re doing.

[anonymous-user]

Ugh, we can all see where this will end up. People just have to he pricks don’t they? We have masses of average speed camera sections going up in both town and rural areas because people can’t be trusted not to take the absolute piss with their speed (I’m talking about the people doing 60mph in a 30 for example). And now we are all going to have to give blood DNA samples to operate a car one day… because people can’t be trusted not to fk everything up.

Edited by F20CN16 on Thursday 26th August 13:43

[Vanden Saab]

bhstewie said:

I don't get this

Number killed or seriously injured in drink-drive crashes hits eight-year high

I thought we'd made progress to the point where drink driving was pretty much socially unacceptable.

You must live in a different world to me, personally I will not drink at all in the evening even if I will not be driving until the following morning and if I have had a few it will be 24 hours before I will drive. most people will have a pint or two and drive and probably safely despite may be being over the limit. They might be over the limit if tested after an accident though even if it was not their fault. Until it becomes socially unacceptable to drink at all if you plan to drive nothing will change.

[crankedup5]

Scotland increase the minimum price/unit on alcohol in an effort reduced consumption. Years later the consumption levels have risen.

[Wills2]

You get to the point where the law of diminishing returns comes into play, once you've done all that is sensible and affordable you're always going to be left with a section of people that will always break the law either by design or accident so as long as you have cars/people and alcohol you're going to get drink drivers no matter what you do.

[Gecko1978]

from the article

The central estimate for the number of fatalities in drink-drive crashes during 2019 is 230, which is broadly in line with the previous few years.

so F all to do with drinking as those deaths are the same just more accidents

[Six Potter]

I think people have become somewhat complacent about drink driving, it certainly doesn't seem to be policed like it once was.

I remember in my yoof (90's, 00's) being pulled over and breathalised multiple times, and police waiting outside pubs to catch people and whatnot. It's not something that seems to happen any more, I've not been pulled over by the police for any reason for maybe 15 years.

[Gecko1978]

Six Potter said:

I think people have become somewhat complacent about drink driving, it certainly doesn't seem to be policed like it once was.

I remember in my yoof (90's, 00's) being pulled over and breathalised multiple times, and police waiting outside pubs to catch people and whatnot. It's not something that seems to happen any more, I've not been pulled over by the police for any reason for maybe 15 years.

the article says Drink Drive deaths are stable, yet we can assume there are more people on the roads given population growth so in reality deaths are falling or stable. Other deaths well given since 90s its been around 2000 its hardly changing. Look at causes was it bad weather, speeding, mechanical faluer etc it clearly was not alcohol

[Six Potter]

Gecko1978 said:

Six Potter said:

I think people have become somewhat complacent about drink driving, it certainly doesn't seem to be policed like it once was.

I remember in my yoof (90's, 00's) being pulled over and breathalised multiple times, and police waiting outside pubs to catch people and whatnot. It's not something that seems to happen any more, I've not been pulled over by the police for any reason for maybe 15 years.

the article says Drink Drive deaths are stable, yet we can assume there are more people on the roads given population growth so in reality deaths are falling or stable. Other deaths well given since 90s its been around 2000 its hardly changing. Look at causes was it bad weather, speeding, mechanical faluer etc it clearly was not alcohol

The article says that drink driving injuries or deaths are at an 8 year high, not stable? I assume that to mean that injuries and deaths fell and have since climbed again.

My point regarding police checking on drivers is purely annecdotal, I've not looked into the figure for any of this.

[Gecko1978]

Six Potter said:

Gecko1978 said:

Six Potter said:

I think people have become somewhat complacent about drink driving, it certainly doesn't seem to be policed like it once was.

I remember in my yoof (90's, 00's) being pulled over and breathalised multiple times, and police waiting outside pubs to catch people and whatnot. It's not something that seems to happen any more, I've not been pulled over by the police for any reason for maybe 15 years.

the article says Drink Drive deaths are stable, yet we can assume there are more people on the roads given population growth so in reality deaths are falling or stable. Other deaths well given since 90s its been around 2000 its hardly changing. Look at causes was it bad weather, speeding, mechanical faluer etc it clearly was not alcohol

The article says that drink driving injuries or deaths are at an 8 year high, not stable? I assume that to mean that injuries and deaths fell and have since climbed again.

My point regarding police checking on drivers is purely annecdotal, I've not looked into the figure for any of this.

from the article

The central estimate for the number of fatalities in drink-drive crashes during 2019 is 230, which is broadly in line with the previous few years.

230 broadly in line with prior years, total deaths is at 8 year high at just over 2000

[irc]

crankedup5 said:

Scotland increase the minimum price/unit on alcohol in an effort reduced consumption. Years later the consumption levels have risen.

And lowering the alcohol limit in Scotland did not reduce accidents.

https://www.scotsman.com/news/crime/stricter-drink...

Easy peasy broad brush headline policies are not the answer. More traffic policing. But that cost money and is harder than just tweaking the laws.

It isn't the guy who has a pint of beer after golf who crashes.

Looks to me like drink drive deaths are broadly stable since 2010. with natural variation from year to year.

https://www.drinkdriving.org/drink_driving_statist...

Edited by irc on Thursday 26th August 16:00

[BritishBlitz87]

Any idiot can tell when they are not okay to drive. You just know.


Sometimes I have got in the car either after the legally-allowed one drink or a session the evening before and had to go back in and wait a while because I can tell I am concentrating harder than I should be.

As soon as you strap yourself and check your mirrors you can tell whether or not you are fit to drive a motor vehicle.

[eldar]

I suspect drug driving is at least as serious, it appears to be tested much less frequently than drink driving.

Rare to see someone actually drinking while driving, common to see someone smoking stuff while at the wheel.