Call for speed bumps
Discussion
An article here about a car embedded in a wall
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshi...
Surely a speed bump would just make the car hit higher up?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshi...
Surely a speed bump would just make the car hit higher up?
Road engineer here.
Speed humps bad.
Affects every single vehicle indiscriminately - not just the speeding vehicles - 24/7.
The "thump thump" noise as vehicles go over them.
Noise from braking and accelerating vehicles - especially HGVs - will make far more noise and cause more damage to road surface than leaving them alone.
Bad for bus passengers (comfort) - bus companies near me have started removing routes from roads with humps.
Bad for emergency service vehicles - would you want to be in an ambulance going over 50 speed humps on a main road?
Cannot be put where driveways/vehicle accesses are, which very much limits the spacing. Irregularly spaced speed humps are generally a no-no.
People want them, but nobody wants them outside their own house.
Can cause drainage issues.
Can cause parking issues.
Require streetlighting/illumination on anything other than a 20mph road (although the road is lit, there may be a need for lighting adjustments)
Horizontal deflection is far more appropriate.
Looking at the road in question, speed "cushions" may be more appropriate, but most cars can straddle them without issue.
No point putting them on a "Close" as there is little or no actual through traffic, so people aren't racing to get anywhere, beat the lights etc.
She will not be a popular person if the Council now put in speed humps. Silly woman, running to the media and assuming she knows best.
(In a former life I was responsible for making much of Cambridge 20mph - managed it without installing a single speed hump)
Speed humps bad.
Affects every single vehicle indiscriminately - not just the speeding vehicles - 24/7.
The "thump thump" noise as vehicles go over them.
Noise from braking and accelerating vehicles - especially HGVs - will make far more noise and cause more damage to road surface than leaving them alone.
Bad for bus passengers (comfort) - bus companies near me have started removing routes from roads with humps.
Bad for emergency service vehicles - would you want to be in an ambulance going over 50 speed humps on a main road?
Cannot be put where driveways/vehicle accesses are, which very much limits the spacing. Irregularly spaced speed humps are generally a no-no.
People want them, but nobody wants them outside their own house.
Can cause drainage issues.
Can cause parking issues.
Require streetlighting/illumination on anything other than a 20mph road (although the road is lit, there may be a need for lighting adjustments)
Horizontal deflection is far more appropriate.
Looking at the road in question, speed "cushions" may be more appropriate, but most cars can straddle them without issue.
No point putting them on a "Close" as there is little or no actual through traffic, so people aren't racing to get anywhere, beat the lights etc.
She will not be a popular person if the Council now put in speed humps. Silly woman, running to the media and assuming she knows best.
(In a former life I was responsible for making much of Cambridge 20mph - managed it without installing a single speed hump)
I don't like speed bumps,i think pinch points are better as you don't have to slow right down if there are no oncoming vehicles.
I live on a fairly busy route into chelsmford which is a 30 limit although you wouldn't believe it at times,i was walking my dog late last night outside my house,sweeping uphill left bend with many driveways onto the road which are pretty much blind to oncoming vehicles,and some t
t in a porsche cayenne came up must have been doing 60 about a foot from the path which itself is only 3feet wide,there must of been 2feet between us.
The police could have a field day at night on this road with a speed trap but just don't see them around anymore.
I'm all for spirited enjoyable driving but on the right roads.
I live on a fairly busy route into chelsmford which is a 30 limit although you wouldn't believe it at times,i was walking my dog late last night outside my house,sweeping uphill left bend with many driveways onto the road which are pretty much blind to oncoming vehicles,and some t
t in a porsche cayenne came up must have been doing 60 about a foot from the path which itself is only 3feet wide,there must of been 2feet between us.The police could have a field day at night on this road with a speed trap but just don't see them around anymore.
I'm all for spirited enjoyable driving but on the right roads.
Ian974 said:
This sounds similar to the local suggestions we've had that as cars are speeding in a 30 zone, reducing that 30 zone to a 20 will resolve it...
It might. 20 zones are required to be "self enforcing" - so build-outs, bumps (last resort, see my post above), chicanes, signing, alignment (new roads) etc.Regs: "To achieve compliance there should be no expectation on the police to provide additional enforcement beyond their routine activity, unless this has been explicitly agreed."
However, for the road to be allocated a 20 zone, the average speeds usually have to be around 24mph max.
More likely a camera will go up, if the speeding is related to a safety record. If it's just people saying "people drive too fast past my house" then it's usually not the case.
Good info here (Section 6): https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/setting...
garagewidow said:
I don't like speed bumps,i think pinch points are better as you don't have to slow right down if there are no oncoming vehicles.
I live on a fairly busy route into chelsmford which is a 30 limit although you wouldn't believe it at times,i was walking my dog late last night outside my house,sweeping uphill left bend with many driveways onto the road which are pretty much blind to oncoming vehicles,and some tt in a porsche cayenne came up must have been doing 60 about a foot from the path which itself is only 3feet wide,there must of been 2feet between us.
The police could have a field day at night on this road with a speed trap but just don't see them around anymore.
I'm all for spirited enjoyable driving but on the right roads.
St Johns/Galleywood Rd? I live on a fairly busy route into chelsmford which is a 30 limit although you wouldn't believe it at times,i was walking my dog late last night outside my house,sweeping uphill left bend with many driveways onto the road which are pretty much blind to oncoming vehicles,and some t
t in a porsche cayenne came up must have been doing 60 about a foot from the path which itself is only 3feet wide,there must of been 2feet between us.The police could have a field day at night on this road with a speed trap but just don't see them around anymore.
I'm all for spirited enjoyable driving but on the right roads.
OpulentBob said:
garagewidow said:
I don't like speed bumps,i think pinch points are better as you don't have to slow right down if there are no oncoming vehicles.
I live on a fairly busy route into chelsmford which is a 30 limit although you wouldn't believe it at times,i was walking my dog late last night outside my house,sweeping uphill left bend with many driveways onto the road which are pretty much blind to oncoming vehicles,and some tt in a porsche cayenne came up must have been doing 60 about a foot from the path which itself is only 3feet wide,there must of been 2feet between us.
The police could have a field day at night on this road with a speed trap but just don't see them around anymore.
I'm all for spirited enjoyable driving but on the right roads.
St Johns/Galleywood Rd? I live on a fairly busy route into chelsmford which is a 30 limit although you wouldn't believe it at times,i was walking my dog late last night outside my house,sweeping uphill left bend with many driveways onto the road which are pretty much blind to oncoming vehicles,and some t
t in a porsche cayenne came up must have been doing 60 about a foot from the path which itself is only 3feet wide,there must of been 2feet between us.The police could have a field day at night on this road with a speed trap but just don't see them around anymore.
I'm all for spirited enjoyable driving but on the right roads.
We had a campaign to get speed reduction measures on our estate. They did a survey and the average speed was less than 30mph, limit is 30.
We still need to do something, lets reduce the speed limit, no lets build speed humps.
I objected and was labelled some sort of maniac. Now they are complaining of the constant thump thump and worse when skip lorries go over them. Also the noise from acceleration between them.
The problem was never a real one but the engine noise is the thing they equate with excess speed, yet the Tesla driver who drives between then at speed is not seen as an issue.
The council react to those who make the most noise and even when this is an issue they know of they still carry on installing them.
We still need to do something, lets reduce the speed limit, no lets build speed humps.
I objected and was labelled some sort of maniac. Now they are complaining of the constant thump thump and worse when skip lorries go over them. Also the noise from acceleration between them.
The problem was never a real one but the engine noise is the thing they equate with excess speed, yet the Tesla driver who drives between then at speed is not seen as an issue.
The council react to those who make the most noise and even when this is an issue they know of they still carry on installing them.
Much of the pressure to install speed bumps will come from the local councilors who "you" elected (either by voting or not in the locals). These Councilors are in a Win Win situation, if the Council installs them after locals request them they win, if they don't then the Council is seen as the bad guy. If people then complain about them the Councilor will blame the highway department.
At the end of the day, most people want traffic crawling past their house but they won't do that past others. If people were respectful, sensible and careful big chunks of highway departments would be out of a job but a massive amount of drivers are fking idiots and "something" needs to be done about them.
Automatic speed limiting hardware in cars would mean many road safety features would be removed but I doubt that would be very popular here!
At the end of the day, most people want traffic crawling past their house but they won't do that past others. If people were respectful, sensible and careful big chunks of highway departments would be out of a job but a massive amount of drivers are f
king idiots and "something" needs to be done about them. Automatic speed limiting hardware in cars would mean many road safety features would be removed but I doubt that would be very popular here!
saaby93 said:
An article here about a car embedded in a wall
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshi...
Surely a speed bump would just make the car hit higher up?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshi...
Surely a speed bump would just make the car hit higher up?
Looking at the state of their sitting room with the new Ford Focus wall art, I can sympathise with the homeowner as to why they want something done, especially given that it’s not the first time their house has been hit.
However, I fail to see how speed bumps would have prevented this crash. Given the location, where the car ended up, the road layout and the fact the driver did a runner, something tells me driver distraction/driving without due care/drink driving/TWOC may play a part here, problems that speed humps don’t solve.
Muddle238 said:
However, I fail to see how speed bumps would have prevented this crash. Given the location, where the car ended up, the road layout and the fact the driver did a runner, something tells me driver distraction/driving without due care/drink driving/TWOC may play a part here, problems that speed humps don’t solve.
Agreed, it would be worthwhile to know the precise circumstances of the earlier crash. Googling, there are plenty of reports of high-speed crashes on that road, and Ledbury Road to the south (they form a loop). Lots of results about drugs offences and assaults in that area too, so perhaps the park to the north (where cars would have been turning into) might be a popular location for drug deals and other dodgy behaviour?Speed bumps won't solve this sadly. Traffic calming measures and a mini roundabout may help but thats a lot more investment I would imagine.
From her personal standpoint her house is on the last turning on the end of a very long 30mph road which according to google is quite set back from the road. That Focus that's inside her living room would have entered at significant speed in the front of her property after colliding with the kerb+picket fence and traveling 6 metres between a Tree and her taller 6 foot fence. If it has happened more than once build a blooming strong wall; it may not stop a vehicle doing double the limit but it will slow it down somewhat before it enters your living room.
From her personal standpoint her house is on the last turning on the end of a very long 30mph road which according to google is quite set back from the road. That Focus that's inside her living room would have entered at significant speed in the front of her property after colliding with the kerb+picket fence and traveling 6 metres between a Tree and her taller 6 foot fence. If it has happened more than once build a blooming strong wall; it may not stop a vehicle doing double the limit but it will slow it down somewhat before it enters your living room.
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