The Church of England is still homophobic.

[Skyrocket21]

Announced today on the BBC news, the Church of Wales will be allowing blessings of same sex marriage but not actually marry anyone of the same sex:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-58427926

Accordingly the Church of Englands stays stead fast on it's clearly homophobic stance that " Christian understanding and doctrine of marriage as a lifelong union between one man and one woman remains unchanged" Detailed here from the "house of bishops" https://www.churchofengland.org/news-and-media/new...

We're in 2021, should we as a forward thinking inclusive nation accept this clearly homophobic stance by the Church of England, gay bishops and clergy not withstanding. I find it quite strange that such a diminishing establishment are willing to die by their own homophobic Christian sword, what are your thoughts on this clearly backwards stance of modern life and society, Christian or not.

Yes I do think it's homophobic by definition, I know the Christians shall complain, it really is homophobic because surely God loves everyone no matter what gender or no gender they have choosen or were born with and can marry who ever they please under Gods loving all knowing self, love is love man and man woman and woman, woman and man, non binary and non binary and everthing else, obviously there are unlawful reasons etc.

[Biggy Stardust]

Skyrocket21 said:

We're in 2021, should we as a forward thinking inclusive nation accept this clearly homophobic stance by the Church of England, gay bishops and clergy not withstanding. I find it quite strange that such a diminishing establishment are willing to die by their own homophobic Christian sword, what are your thoughts on this clearly backwards stance of modern life and society, Christian or not.

You are not forced to be part of their religious movement. They can do what they want- in the same way I detest them trying to impose their views on others I find it unacceptable for others to force their views on the church.

Religionists are unhinged therefore leave them to their beliefs & tell them to keep their noses out of others' business. Live & let live.

[anonymous-user]

Despite being a strong supporter of LGBTQ rights, and also someone who thinks religion is ‘ridiculous’, I am on the side of the Church here.

If that is what they genuinely believe, and what they wish to ‘enforce’, then just leave them to it.

Unlike being gay, religion is a choice in the UK, and no one is forcing anyone to be ‘Church of England’.

Anyone, gay or straight, who doesn’t like what the Church of England are doing, should simply sack them off and choose a different provider of religion, or just stop bothering with it altogether.

I don’t see why anyone would want to persist in being part of a club who clearly doesn’t want them.

[anonymous-user]

Biggy Stardust said:

You are not forced to be part of their religious movement. They can do what they want- in the same way I detest them trying to impose their views on others I find it unacceptable for others to force their views on the church.

Religionists are unhinged therefore leave them to their beliefs & tell them to keep their noses out of others' business. Live & let live.

They do force their views on us. They have 26 bishops and half a dozen archbishops in the HoL. For example a few years ago the bishop's votes defeated the government's attempt to cap benefits at 26 grand a year.

[Ridgemont]

fblm said:

Biggy Stardust said:

You are not forced to be part of their religious movement. They can do what they want- in the same way I detest them trying to impose their views on others I find it unacceptable for others to force their views on the church.

Religionists are unhinged therefore leave them to their beliefs & tell them to keep their noses out of others' business. Live & let live.

They do force their views on us. They have 26 bishops and half a dozen archbishops in the HoL. For example a few years ago the bishop's votes defeated the government's attempt to cap benefits at 26 grand a year.

‘They’? Arguably the entire presence of the HoL as currently structured is a democratic outrage, and any intervention by what is a super committee of appointed place men/women over the will of government is questionable. But we had such fun with Brexit on that one.

As it stands the lords spiritual are not forcing non acceptance of same sex marriage down anyone’s throats legislatively.

As Biggy notes, and gets trotted out regularly whenever the question of social media censorship pops up, Their House. Their Rules.

[Terminator X]

I'm not in the slightest religious however can't the C of E just do what they want given #religiousbeliefs and all that jazz?

TX.

[efcgriswold]

It’s all made up so not sure why their stance on homosexuality is any different. Live and let live.

[anonymous-user]

Ridgemont said:

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As Biggy notes, and gets trotted out regularly whenever the question of social media censorship pops up, Their House. Their Rules.

Not the same at all. Choosing what you allow people to upload to your site for you to publish is perfectly legal. Not letting someone open an account because they are gay... not so much. The CoE looks a lot more like a multi billion pound business that refuses to serve gays. Any other business or charity would be crucified for it.

[Pit Pony]

When you say the Church of England, you actually mean, the actual people who make the decisions.

Imdividuals who are on a ruling commitee, so if the OP coukd identify the actual Bishops and Arch Bishops, who held those views it would be of more interest.

[stitched]

Why on earth would you wish your relationship 'blessed' by an organisation which disapproves of it?

[Biggy Stardust]

fblm said:

They do force their views on us. They have 26 bishops and half a dozen archbishops in the HoL. For example a few years ago the bishop's votes defeated the government's attempt to cap benefits at 26 grand a year.

As I said, I thoroughly disapprove.

[LaurasOtherHalf]

Who cares? Their house, their rules.

As a straight, white British married male with kids who go to a CoE school I couldn’t give two fks what the church think of me-why would any of the rainbow crowd care any less?

[anonymous-user]

Why would you want to be part of a faith that sees you as a sinner anyway?

[TwigtheWonderkid]

hucumber said:

Why would you want to be part of a faith that sees you as a sinner anyway?

Exactly. You don't see many black and Asian people claiming the BNP made them feel unwelcome. Because they've got more sense than to try and join.

[OldGermanHeaps]

Why are you so focused in on one group and ignoring others? What did the imam at your local mosque say when you asked him to do your gay wedding?
The freedom that lets you get gay married or identify as a teapot should also allow the freedom to be left in peace to your own beliefs and not ne fotrced into acts you find wrong.

[Biggy Stardust]

Their bible states that slavery is ok but polycotton trousers are an abomination.

Why do you want the approval of an organisation with values like these?

Edited by Biggy Stardust on Tuesday 7th September 07:55

[LaurasOtherHalf]

OldGermanHeaps said:

Why are you so focused in on one group and ignoring others? What did the imam at your local mosque say when you asked him to do your gay wedding?
The freedom that lets you get gay married or identify as a teapot should also allow the freedom to be left in peace to your own beliefs and not ne fotrced into acts you find wrong.

Exactly, if I want a party with a spit roast hog and bacon baps I don't go to the local mosque just because they have the space to do it, why? Because I'm not a fking retard that's why.

Honestly, the more you see that clart the more you think it's just put out there to wind folk up and stir up controversy.

[oddman]

Biggy Stardust said:

Their bible states that slavery is ok but polycotton trousers are an abomination.

Why do you want the approval of an organisation with values like these?

Edited by Biggy Stardust on Tuesday 7th September 07:55

They're right about the trousers

[bobbo89]

Gay here. They're free to do as they please IMO and to be honest I'm not sure why any same sex couple would want to have a religious wedding in a CofE church.

As others have said, their house their rules and I'm perfectly fine with that....

[Dromedary66]

The Church should indeed be shamed for its outadated views, especially since so many of the clergy are clearly friends of Dorothy, but there are other religions who have ideals which are significantly worse.

We allows jews and muslims to mutilate the penises of new born baby boys without much of an outcry at all - how is this allowed in the 21st century